And that was the whole point of changing the thread.  I'm not talking 
about physical abuse, I'm talking about disciplining children.  Does 
any one method work for every child?  No, but that's part of the joys 
of parenting. 

I understand how the coment "slapping around" and some of the other 
more creative methods to describe punishing can be considered abuse... 
and they're generally over-inflated verbal expressions of aggrivation.  
One other thing that my wife and I have agreed on is not to punish out 
of anger.  If we get mad, that's not the time to give a spanking.  Once 
we've calmed down, then it's time to decide what to do. 

Hatton

"BethF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 2/25/2002 3:07:15 PM:
>
>I was spanked - with mom it was usually a situation where she told me 
>to do something  (or to stop something) four times and the fifth time 
>she smacked me openhanded on the arm.   As a small kid she spanked me 
>lightly on the butt - an attention getter and a feeling hurter, but 
>not a physical hurt thing.  It worked.
>
>My dad the psychologist was much meaner.  His method of spanking was to
>announce loudly that it was time for my spanking and make me come out 
>in the hallway and lean against the wall and very gently pat my butt 
>while announcing the spanking loudly. Mortifying.  Horrible. I much 
>preferred the smack on the arm.
>
>I guess I would agree with you - spanking your kid on the butt to get 
>their attention that you really mean it is entirely different than 
>losing your temper and beating the crap out of them.  I actually think 
>that every discipline with kids should be planned and not in anger.  
>Its when you lose your temper that things get out of hand, mostly.
>
>--Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
>Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike
>Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy)
>Anchorage, Alaska
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "C. Hatton Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:46 AM
>Subject: Punishment versus Abuse (was Re:RE: Come see the violence 
>inherent in the system!)
>
>
>> I think that one thing that really needs to be defined in this (and
>> other) situations with children is the fact that while we are using
>> very strong language (myself included) for physical punishment, I 
>> don't think a single one of us is suggesting, proposing or 
>> supporting abusing the child.
>>
>> I grew up in a household that spanked.  If my child's actions warrant
>> the same punishment then my wife and I have already agreed that there
>> will be no belts, paddles or switches (a piece of wood).  I used to
>> have to go pick my own switch and those who have done this can attest
>> to the mental punishment that gives as well.
>>
>> In all seriousness I believe in corporal punishment because I know 
>> all too well that verbal punishment and trying to reason with a 
>> three year old does not always work for all children.  A 3 year old 
>> attacking an adult stranger is unacceptable in my eyes and should 
>> have been dealt with long before it got as far as it did.
>>
>> I am *not* pro-abuse and I don't agree that "if you accept the 
>> moderate you have to accept the extreme" (from Mark's email to me).  
>> I don't buy into that.  I also think that if you raise a child (or 
>> don't raise in this case) then the parent should be to blame for at 
>> least part of the problem.
>>
>> Hatton
>> 
>
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