I don't understand why we have nukes if we aren't going to use them. I wish Americans were just plain-old fashioned badasses.. everybody already hates us, what's the difference? Our troops are more important than saving face.
- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:16 PM Subject: RE: Today's Patraeus: Wow. >I have very strong feelings on this issue and I do tend to let them run > things sometimes. > > My arguments, what arguments are to be made? It seems there are two > sides. > Those that want out and those that want to stay. I honestly consider it > offensive and unpatriotic to want to pull out now. I find there to be > something deficient in people that can think this way. My point is I > don't > care about the arguments for or against. I care that I killed people. > That > my friends have died and been wounded. The motivations at this point mean > little to me. > > Why be civil? We're talking about war. Not a tea party. How would I run > things? > > Define who our enemies are. In my view that would currently include Iran, > Syria, some of Lebanon, some of Pakistan, Palestine, and various > non-governmental terror groups. > > State in a declaration of war the names of the nations and organizations > we > are fighting. That way we know who our targets are, and our goal becomes > dismantling those governments and organizations to the point that they can > no longer operate. > > Begin drafting all males 18-30 let's say. Yes, I mean all of them. 2 > years > out of school isn't going to hurt you in the long run, unless you're > killed > or wounded. > > Identify strategic resources, oil, steel and so forth. Begin rationing > and > turn in support of the war effort. > > Establish headquarters in Saudi, Afghanistan and Iraq where you will > marshal > troops and handle logistics. > > Use our conventional first strike capabilities to destroy the > infrastructure > of the nations and groups involved. > > Invade ALL locations where the nations and organizations are operating. > > Begin stability and security operations - Marshall plan 2 > > Open large scale reeducation camps across the middle east. > > That's how a nation would go to war. > > Now the stuff you don't want to hear. I think less of men that haven't > worn > the uniform, especially in time of war. We have this great nation, all > these freedoms and rights, but no one wants to sacrifice to earn it > anymore. > Whether you're talking about our immigration arguments, or the common > citizen. Our country is full of weak people that want everything handed > to > them, and don't want to ever face adversity. In the days after Sept. 11th > this country rallied, but even then you could see that it was BS. > > 3000 dead, and we let the Taliban start coming back? > > How many attacks and cease fire violations should we have allowed the > Iraqis > to carry out before we did something? > > I flip out, I'm nuts, blah blah blah. > > When it comes right down to it my response (no retreat, no surrender) is > an > emotional one. Why did I go there and do what I did if the civilians are > only going to change their minds now? If these wars are illegal, am I a > war > criminal? If we don't win what does that make me? > > So yes, this is an emotional, personal argument. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:42 AM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow. >> >> I am tired of "gung-ho" Americans deciding that people who disagree >> wit hthem are "wusses", "cut and runners", and "throwing in the >> towel". >> >> It is exactly that sort of talk that gets every so mad. >> >> Sure, put forward your arguments. But keep it civil. You are not doing >> _anyone_ any good with that sort of language. >> >> It really just shows that you have no ideas, just feelings. (Or so it >> seems). >> >> So, you say we need to stay, and we need to win. OK. Tell me how. >> >> On 9/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > No, I don't have great benefits, The point you are remembering, I >> had >> > gotten out of the army and didn't have any benefits. >> > >> > He said taking away soldiers benefits, I wasn't a soldier. The VA >> sucks, >> > but it's a different topic. >> > >> > I'm sorry for harsh language but I am sick and tired of wuss >> Americans >> > wanting to throw in the towel. >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:24 AM >> > > To: CF-Community >> > > Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow. >> > > >> > > You have great benefits? >> > > >> > > I seem to remember some dark days where you were not all that >> enthused >> > > with the treatment you had available and were getting. >> > > >> > > Am I misremembering that? Or are you? >> > > >> > > Pretty harsh language, there, too. >> > > >> > > >> > > On 9/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > In the 8 years I was enlisted my benefits only got better, never >> > > worse. >> > > > Maybe not as good as we wanted but they increased. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:242354 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
