Speaking of taxes, Europeans pay more in taxes - an average of about 20% 
more - than us, which I think is how they are able to afford to have the 
government pay for most or all of their health care.

And are you saying that we need to model our health care after these 
countries? You know that all is not rosy with them.
For instance, I read sometime ago in Business Week, I believe, that 
Britain has a lot of problem with their NHS, and France "appears" to be 
doing well. Let's look at the French model.

On the plus side, France appears to have a lot of success with theirs, 
but you need to look deeper into it. The nice thing is that their 
government picks up the tab if you are out of work. And they get to 
choose their hospital and doctor which we do as well. Now the way that 
they can do this is they enforce price controls, which we would have do 
here. They use a national fee schedule. But, their doctors can charge 
extra, and I believe that although less than half do, they can and do 
charge extra. I think it is somewhere around $50.00 extra though, so 
that is not too bad. And French doctors earn far less than our US 
counterparts, somewhere around one third less. So from what I am 
reading, we would have to raise taxes to make this happen. Raising taxes 
is the same as cutting salary except that the government gets the money 
rather than the company. That will be a hard sell for Americans, 
especially American's who can afford quality health care.

On the negative, we know that France pays more in taxes than we do (and 
works about 12 hours less a week than we do, which is actually a plus), 
and those extra taxes help fund their health care, along with private 
funding. So the employee is contributing as is the company. And about 
90% of the population buys some sort of supplementary health care (like 
AFLAC here in the US) to cover things that are not covered in their 
basic package. France is also having a similar issue that we are. Rising 
costs and an aging population are making it a struggle for France to 
sustain this. This is causing their deficit to worsen faster than past 
projections have predicted.

A question though. Is France's health care universal across the board? 
For instance, do illegal immigrants get access to health care the same 
as tax paying citizens? This is a small part of what is creating higher 
health care costs for us. That along with frivolous law suits that are 
jacking malpractice premiums ever skyward and the luxurious lifestyles 
that they are being accustomed to, as well as the rising cost of getting 
a medical degree in the first place, and also people who cannot afford 
health care coverage, but can still be seen for a real life emergency 
anyway. So a lot needs to be done, not just spewing 'government provided 
health care!!'.

I am sure we can find stats on these other so called "models of 
successful health care", but the fact is, while we do need to do 
something with our totally dysfunctional health care system, we need to 
seriously examine the pros and cons of government sponsored health care. 
If the powers that be can create a viable and sustainable model for 
this, I am on board, even if it does mean paying a little more in taxes.

Finally, I know that we have people from all over the world on this 
list. I would be interested to hear how their health care is compared to 
ours.

Bruce


Larry Lyons wrote:
>
> You mean making the problem worse than the systems like Britian, France, 
> Australia, New Zealand, Germany and Canada have? Where the per capita costs 
> are typically less than half of what it costs here, and where the overall 
> wellness of the population is higher? 
>
> All those countries have a government sponsored medical system. With some you 
> pay a copay others cover everything out of general taxes. 
>
>
>   

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