And Enron was not speculating?

On Dec 8, 2007 8:26 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did we both read the same article? The title of the article is "OPEC not
> losing sleep over high oil price". The article does not specifically suggest
> that speculators are driving up the price, it quotes the head of OPEC as
> saying that:
>
> "The market is controlled by speculators. They are considering oil as a
> financial asset," said OPEC Secretary-General Abdullah al-Badri on
> Wednesday.
> And he isn't exactly a neutral observer in this story. OPEC can claim all
> they want that speculation is controlling the price of oil. If there was 20%
> more oil being pumped, or if demand were 20% lower, the price of crude would
> fall through the floor as countries and companies struggled to compete on
> price and move their inventory. As things stand now, they don't have to
> compete on price, every barrel of oil being pumped is being sold. Supply and
> demand. Speculation in the market is largely about securing oil for the
> future in the face of ever-growing demand and the possibility of supply
> disruption. But supply disruption only matters because current supply is so
> tight up against demand that there is no room for error in the system.
>
> This is exactly the same sort of mess that California went through in 2001
> with the power outages. The utility system was broken up and re-organized in
> an attempt to create competition and lower demand, but the idiots who
> designed the new market failed to put in place guarantees that there would
> always be some excess generating capacity in the market. Pretty soon, some
> clever bastards at places like Enron figured out this loophole and proceeded
> to game the system by taking plants offline for "maintenance" during peak
> demand periods so they could reap the windfall profits of the spot market,
> which is the only uncapped pricing market in the California system.
>
> OPEC is essentially doing the same thing- keeping supply tight up against
> demand and riding the price of oil right into the sky.
> On Dec 8, 2007 12:21 PM, Dana  wrote:
>
> > right. There's nothing there about China or the evil minions of OPEC. The
> > gist seems to be that it is speculation that is driving the price up.
> >
>
>
> 

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