I'm fascinated by this post.....
On Jan 5, 2008 5:02 PM, Matt Quackenbush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OMG. I actually agree with Jim Davis on something that does not pertain
> to
> code. Note to self: must get a checkup soon. <eg>
I agree with Jim on lot's of things....and his response to Bruce's post was
perfect. I wish I could have signed my name to it.
> Having grown up in a "fundie" home, I can speak from personal experience
> on
> this topic. Not many topics will get me riled up as much as this sort of
> topic. I don't watch many movies (no interest), but this one I made sure
> and downloaded when I saw this thread. Why? I wanted to get pissed off
> all
> over again.
Not many topics get me quite as riled up as this one.....just creationism :)
I'm curious though, if you grew up in a fundie home, were you subjected to
any of the kind of torture (poetic license there) as the kids we saw in the
film? And how were you able to rise above the indoctrination and come out
relatively clean on the other side?
Here's the truth: Fundies are equally as evil as the Muslims, or the Nazis,
> or the politicians, or the serial killers, or the {insert evil group
> here}.
> Are their evils carried out differently? Sure. Does that make them any
> less evil? Absolutely not.
I dunno.....If the fundie rises to violence, or teaches hate and fear (as
many of them do), then I'll agree with you. But many fundy's are just
evangelicals, who aren't so much dangerous as they are annoying. (Well, they
are dangerous to their kids or to anyone over whom they can exert
influence).
As parents, we are charged with raising our children and equipping them for
> life as adults. That means that our children should be well-balanced
> socially and spiritually, and they should have a clear understanding of
> what
> the world is going to throw at them when they're out on their own.
> Brainwashing your child(ren) in any fashion (doesn't matter the topic) is
> pure evil, and could not possible be farther from "equipping them for
> life". I dare say you will have an extraordinarily difficult time finding
> 5
> fundie kids that are socially OR spiritually balanced as adults, let alone
> being both.
AGREE!
> The "I'm right, and if you don't do what I say you're going to burn in
> hell
> forever" mantra is pure bullshit. To use fear as a means to control your
> children is absolutely no different than the terrorists using fear to
> control regions, or governments using fear to control their population.
> They're all equally evil. (Although the argument could be made that doing
> so with children is worse, as they are instinctively trusting of their
> parents, and don't know that their parents are actually leading them to
> the
> slaughterhouse that is called "real life".)
Fear IS how we control our children. "If you don't finish that dinner, you
don't get your dessert." That's fear. "If you don't do your homework, you
can't play your video game." Again, fear.
But I agree that threatening them with eternal damnation is a bit more
severe than denying them a piece of chocolate cake.
> By the way, I believe strongly in God, and a relationship with Jesus
> Christ. However, Jesus Christ himself was the epitome of tolerance toward
> the common man, and hatred toward the religious zealots. Religion is pure
> evil. Not to mention the fact that churches have become nothing more and
> nothing less than social clubs. Intolerant, exclusive social clubs at
> that.
I'm with you on the JC stuff, but no way can I call religion "pure evil".
The way it was distorted and heaved upon you as you grew up, though, I can
certainly understand why you would feel it is.
I could go on for years talking about this, but I shall refrain, as I am
> losing lots of work time. ;-)
Aw come on, it's monday.
--
I've weighed out every option
This scale's not fit for advice
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