On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:19 PM, sam morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Creator" is a fairly oblique, non-specific, and non-Judeo-Christian > term. > > It is a Judeo-Christian term, how can you say it isn't? Easy, it isn't. Judeo-Christian's don't have the sole use of the term. In context, it was a Deist term, which most Christians I know scoff at, and accuse them of not being Christian (of course, they're right, but the scoffing part is uncalled for) > > It is, in point of context with the Foynding Fathers, a Deist term. If > the > Declaration of Independence were meant to be a Christian or Judeo-Christian > document, it would have said God; probably would have even said God, the > Father, or something similar. > > Nobody claimed it was a Judeo-Christian document. > It says:"they were careful to place Biblical morality directly into our > founding documents and laws" That "Biblical morality" is just morality that happens to appear in the Bible. So what. That doesn't make it Biblical by any means. Most of that "morality" existed long before any hint at Judeo-Christian beliefs. > > This "Biblical Morality" is wholly and truly not "Biblical" at all, save > that the common sense it serves appears in that book--it appears elsewhere > in history, as well. > Claiming the bible plagiarized doesn't change the point. > > > Again, this perceived Judeo-Christian value system is borrowed from other > history as well, and does not make the foundation of this Nation Christian > by any means. > > Claiming the bible plagiarized doesn't change the point. > Plagiarism is a good word for it, but not actually what I meant. I simply meant that it pre-dated the Bible, and most other "modern" religious books by a multitude of years, hundreds, perhaps even thousands. These ideas popped up all over the world, in almost every religion, despite the lack of easy world travel. It's not plagiarism, it's common sense. Almost every growing culture of the time developed many of these same values--don't steal, don't kill....it was a means of survival. If the Founding Fathers intended to place Biblical values and morals into our Constitution, then adultery would be illegal in the Constitution. That's a pretty big Biblical value to leave out, if that was the intent. I maintain that it was not their intent, that their intent was to give us liberty, and to stay out of the religious beliefs of the masses completely. Religious beliefs of political leaders should not sway their votes against the Liberties offered by the Constitution, even if--especially if, they conflict. The sole guidance of our political leaders should be to ensure the Liberties of the People. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:262263 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
