>> Yes, but it doesn't disprove the placebo effect. There are meditation >> "gurus" who can achieve the same or better results with purely >> thoughts and their experience alone proves the placebo effect (as well >> as all of the studies Larry is quoting). > > >No one here, least of all me, ever doubted the placebo affect. I'm quite >sure that one's expectations can heighten the success of pain killing >drugs...just as the research Larry cites suggests. > >However, as my example proves, the effectiveness of these drugs is not >ENTIRELY tied to expectations, and in my opinion, not even MOSTLY tied to >expectations..........So the question remains for me whether the same can be >said for acupuncture?
they can the other research I cited does show that there is an effect above and beyond expectancies and placebo. The real difficulty is to determine that effect. To a great extent everyone has heard of hypnosis or acupuncture or TENS or other treatment for pain - that's something that has to be controlled for. Then there's the type of pain, long term intractible chronic pain is very different than isochemic pain (like having the person keep their hand in icewater for a couple of minutes or having a laser zap tooth pulp). It may be certain types of pain control methods may be much more effective with different types of pain. All of these have to be determined. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:263884 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
