H.- Tag, you're it!
Yeah, guess we're the only ones here this holiday weekend. I came into the office to get caught up a bit. Not gonna stay all day - I mean, it's beautiful outside. Have been doing a bunch of work on the conversion to the new owner in a few weeks. That hasn't stopped the flow of normal "for the business" work. FYI most of my work is programming and database related, mostly on in-house developed systems (including wierd stuff like gasoline blending and LPG tank car movements). Only about a quarter to a third of my job relates to my intranet, and only a part of that is cf. (We have no outside web access, only an intranet.) -Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:53 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: They invaded! 0_0 > > > Ben, it looks like only you and me checking the list today ... > > H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:28 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: They invaded! 0_0 > > > The couple of posts on the list I really liked, especially > putting them > together - > > one was the WSJ "Quagmire" article which suggests there are > more moderate > Palestinians, willing to live with Israel, who might possibly > gain power if > Arafat were deposed. > > other was post about when the children are not taught to hate. > > I can hope and pray... > > -Ben > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:30 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: They invaded! 0_0 > > > > > > True. I'm just saying it's no excuse to say, "Oh, if I take > > too hard of a > > line, I'll get killed." He is the one person in a position > > to stop the > > insanity. He must take whatever steps necessary to stop it. > > > > Of course, he won't. But that's another issue. > > > > H. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 11:10 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: They invaded! 0_0 > > > > > > H.- > > > > waitaminit, waitaminit - > > you mentioned "Arafat" and "moral" in the same sentence !! > > > > I mean, this is the guy who literally talks out of both sides > > of his mouth - > > peace in English, and terror in Arabic. > > > > (I am *NOT* saing the Israeli government is full of angels > - that's a > > separate story.) > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 11:06 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: They invaded! 0_0 > > > > > > > > > That is the risk he has a moral obligation to take. > > > > > > H. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 10:32 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: They invaded! 0_0 > > > > > > > > > H. - > > > and if Arafat tried this, he would be dead in a heartbeat... > > > (by Hamas or Islamic Jihad) > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 5:57 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: They invaded! 0_0 > > > > > > > > > > > > Arafat could stop it ... > > > > > > > > He could arrest the leaders of Hamas and other militant > > > > groups. He could try them for murder, etc. Then put them to > > > > death upon conviction (or alternative, turn them over to an > > > > international court for trial on "crimes against humanity"). > > > > And do the same to any who rise up to take their place. He > > > > could tell his people to stop preaching hate. > > > > > > > > Really, the only person who can stop is is Arafat. And if > > > > he's gone, whomever becomes the next leader. The only way > > > > this is going to stop is if the Palestinians stop it > > > > themselves or they are wiped out. > > > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > > > from: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:58:10 -0500 > > > > > > > > >> If Arafat seeks to make a genuine peace with Israel, he > > > > will be removed by > > > > >> Hamas. Even if he doesn't make peace, he has to appear to > > > > be pursuing it > > > > >(in > > > > >> English) while supporting the jihad (in Arabic). > > > > > > > > > >Like I said in a later message, the bombers are pretty > > much acting > > > > >independantly of anything he says. Israel must know this. > > > > Yet, like you > > > > >said below, they insist that the bombing has to stop and > > > > expect Arafat to > > > > >make it happen. Does everyone see the contradiction here? > > > > What I was > > > > >saying is Israel needs to understand that the bombing is not > > > > going to stop. > > > > >So, if you are going to be getting attacked anyway, then > > > > instead of wasting > > > > >time with retalitory attacks that just inflame the problem, > > > > look at the root > > > > >cause of the attacks and do something about it. > > > > > > > > > >> The Israeli government says it can't negotiate a true > > > > peace with Arafat at > > > > >> the same time his people are bombing Israeli civilians, > > > > and asks him to > > > > >rein > > > > >> in his organization while they discuss peace, but the > > > > bombings continue. > > > > > > > > > >See above. > > > > > > > > > >> Recall that Syria abstained from the recent U.N. Security > > > > Council vote > > > > >> endorsing a Palestinian state because of the words > > > > "alongside Israel". > > > > > > > > > >What's this have to so with palistinians bombing Israeli > > civilians? > > > > > > > > > >> The British Mandate for the partition of the territory > > > > into Jewish and > > > > >> Palestinian states was thwarted by Jordan. The refugee > > > > situation was > > > > >created > > > > >> by Jordan, and perpetuated by Arafat and the PLO. > > > > > > > > > >This doesn't change the fact that Israels current strategy > > > > will never work > > > > >and they need to try something else ... like actually trying > > > > to find a way > > > > >to solve the root cause of the tension. Same thing with the > > > > Palastinians. > > > > >Instead of blowing things up left and right, they need to be > > > > thinking up an > > > > >acceptable compromise for both peoples .. that is, if they > > > > are even able to. > > > > > > > > > >> Most people seem to be apologizing for the terrorists and > > > > criticizing > > > > >> Israel. > > > > > > > > > >Well, you can't have gotten that from my message. I think > > > > that "They are > > > > >both to blame and neither seems willing to stand up and do > > > > what needs to be > > > > >done." is pretty balanced and doesn't favor one side over > > > the other. > > > > >Personaly, I think they are both going at this in a > > > > half-assed manor and no > > > > >one is really trying all that hard. > > > > > > > > > >This whole thing is about placing blame and not about fixing > > > > the problem. > > > > >The blame is shared so the blame game just goes on forever > > > > and nothing gets > > > > >accomplished, except a lot of killing. > > > > > > > > > >> I would be happier if there were more balance in this > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > >I think I've made my balanced stance perfectly clear. > > > > > > > > > >> Just my opinion. > > > > >> > > > > >> -Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. 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