uh. I have been trying to stay out of this -- way too much to do -- but. This is not some guy in a tinfoil hat. He's a Pulitzer prize winner who has on the record statements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Suskind About the forgery he says: "Absolutely, yeah. It's interesting, because there's been a push and shove this week with actually sort of non-denial denials, if you look carefully at what the various folks involved have said. There's a lot of pressure that's being brought to bear on certainly all the participants. The book is full of on-the-record comments from actual participants. It's essentially not my claim; it's people involved talking about what they did and when, in terms of the letter. And that's why some of them have felt real heat. Obviously, this could end with a constitutional crisis, and their testimony is central to that." http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/13/the_way_of_the_world_ron What I find most interesting about that interview is that really he isn't even talking about whether fraud was committed. It is clear to him that it has, and he has some interesting things to say about what that means in terms of Pakistan, Georgia and Guantanamo. He is not a hater; he is actually quite hopeful: *AMY GOODMAN: *And the Holocaust survivor's son, the military tribunal judge? *"RON SUSKIND: *That's quite a story. He is the military tribunal judge who looks over the Ghizzawi case when it comes in front of the tribunal. He's kind of a ringer, because he's actually a former intelligence guy, among mostly lawyers in this process. And he looks at the evidence and said there isn't any here on this guy. He rules he's not an enemy combatant. That fellow, Stephen Abraham, again, another basic heroic traditional American character trying to restore America to its proper place, says, "I'm not going to back off. This man is innocent." One innocent man is all it takes to stop a system in America, the way it's supposed to work. He's the guy who basically pushes back. Abraham is a Holocaust survivor's son, as you say, and he says it's about justice. He all but gets fired from Guantanamo. But ultimately, years later, he files a deposition, saying, "I'm a credible witness. I was actually a judge." That causes the Supreme Court to flip, grant *certiorari* to the case, * Boumediene*. And that ultimately is sort of the heartening part of the book. Americans are taking hold of this issue across the country to say this government doesn't really represent me, and I'm going to do something about it with my own actions." On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Did anyone say that the President did this, or was it done by members of > the > > CIA? > > I think the current claim is that it was ordered by the Whitehouse and > conducted by the CIA. So, I guess you would call it a conspiracy > theory. > > -Cameron > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:265868 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
