I'll agree there are radicals that don't believe in evolution but from what I've read most ID proponents claims it works with evolution. You're only arguing against the side you disagree with. But we've talked about this before. I imagine it as a discussion as to what peoples thoughts are on how life was formed. Big bang maybe can form dna and then evolution... But shouldn't you even be allowed to say some people believe in creation, next question?
On 9/2/08, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:41 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class > > > > Not really, ID doesn't challenge evolution it looks to answers the > > questions evolution can't, the beginning. She didn't say it should be > > taught in science class, she did say if a question was asked about it > > discussion should be allowed. > > Then I'm sorry, but you simply don't understand ID any more than most ID > proponents understand evolution. > > Evolutionary Theory actually doesn't concern itself with the first inception > of life (although many aspects of it can be used in that exploration). It > concerns itself with how life (existing life) changes over time in response > to pressure. > > If ID can be said to have an overseeing body it has to be the Discovery > Institute. And their own literature on ID focuses on challenges to > evolution concerning specific biological features, not the inception of > life. The bacterial flagellum, the eye, the immune system - discussions of > the these are what fills "Of Pandas and People" (the "official" text book > supported and distributed by the Discovery Institute). > > ID "theorists" have failed to produce any experimental evidence, any > testable hypothesis or any real research concerning their ideas. Instead > they create false challenges to evolution (false because they refuse to > modify their ideas based on new, or for that matter preexisting, learning). > > Even assuming that ID "researchers" were producing to scientific standards > it's unlikely that such a new theory would gain a place in middle or high > school curricula - cutting-edge work rarely (if ever) does. Evolution has > proven itself over more than a 100 years of challenges. It would be > incredibly unusual for a hypothesis as recent as ID (even if it weren't, > scientifically, crap) to make it to basic science courses > > For example String Theory and Epigenics are both very promising ideas. > They've received a lot of attention and have a tremendous amount of good > science backing them... yet neither are generally taught in middle- or > high-school as both are relatively new, controversial science. They, unlike > evolution, haven't "paid their dues yet" and gained a general consensus. > > Since ID proponents have failed to produce any real science it's clear that > ID holds no place in science class rooms. > > Instead ID proponents focus on challenging evolution rather than raising a > viable alternative. Speaking from actions it's clear that organized ID > proponents are aiming to create social and political controversy rather than > do any real science. > > Since no scientific controversy exists it's clear that ID holds no place in > science class rooms. > > I'd love to hear any reasonable arguments for including it, but as I see it > there's nothing to speak for it being included - at the very least at the > middle- or high-school levels. > > Oh - and I agree that a student shouldn't be "punished" for bringing it up > in class. But that teacher should be able to reply that the hypothesis is > unscientific and not fit for scientific discussion and expect that student > to understand and be tested on the science presented. > > Jim Davis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:267382 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
