> >> I have 2 sons. My brother has 3. My relatives have many. This means
that
> >I've been to a number of circumcisions and know quite a bit first hand.
> >> 1. The person doing the job is an expert. I remember one Bris
(literally
> >covenant, what a circumcision is in Judaism) where the father was a
doctor
> >and he had like a half dozen other doctors there to observe. They never
saw
> >it done in a Jewish ritual and they were amazed with it all.
> >> 2. The instruments are all clean, sterile, sharp, etc. These aren't
some
> >things you pick up anywhere but expensive, top of the line instruments.
> >> 3. The child cries more from the cold than from the cut (which takes
less
> >than a second).
> >
> >This is the one I don't believe.  Put someone in the cold and then slice
off
> >the skin on the tips of their fingers and see which they are more upset
> >about.
> We're talking about a baby here, not an adult. If you were present to hear
the baby cry you'd probably agree with me.

You're not suggesting that babies don't feel pain like adults do, are you?

OK .. here is some video of a circumcision.  That baby sounds like it's
doing a little more than complaining of the cold.

http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/circ.mov

> >You can't convince me that that doesn't hurt like hell.  If it's not that
> >big of a deal, why bother giving anesthetic to adults?  If being cold is
> >worse, then the adults shouldn't have anything to complain about.  Sure
> >would save on the medical bill ....
> Never said it didn't. My wife stubs her toe and she screams and hops
around thinking its broken (she has a low pain tolerance). A baby had NO
pain tolerance. Any discomfort is pain to it. Is it equipped to tell the
difference between the two pains or the degree? nope.

I also don't believe this.  Doctors used to think babies didn't feel pain at
all.  This is thinking had doctors even performing open heart surgery on
babies without anesthetic.  Now they know that babies have a fully developed
nervouse system that functions just as well as an adult's.  They can tell
the difference between degrees of discomfort.

Todd

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