Ben,

I never said that I though that suicide bombing was acceptable, in fact
in several of my posts I said that I thought it was cowardly and wrong.
I support Israel for going in and cleaning out the groups.  I just don't
support all the foreign aid the US gives to Israel.



-----Original Message-----
From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:45 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Bush's Mid East Policy

This is interesting - we now appear to have a right-wing US apologist on
the
list!

Oh boy, here comes another long controversial thread degenerating into a
flame war
(or not...)

Kevin, I totally disagree with what, in my opinion, is a strongly biased
comment you made -
> They hate us because our hi-tech weaponry is being used by Israeli 
> soldiers to kill Palestinian men, women, and children.
 
The Arab world has hated us long before the Palestinian Authority, long
before the latest 18-month Intifada, long before Israeli military
incursions
into the West Bank.

And we're not talking about "subtle Saudi presence" and Bin Laden taking
offense - the entire Muslim world, who see the U.S. as "infidels"
(non-Muslim) and have hated that for over 50 years we support the
existence
of the State of Israel, which nation they want to push into the sea.

You seem to forget that Israel has a stated policy of retaliating for
terrorist attacks against civilians. And you don't seem to criticize
somebody walking into a hotel or restaurant with pounds of explosive
strapped to their body, and murder people.

How about a little fairness?

I don't like the Israeli military operations against the Palestinians,
not
one bit.
However, Hamas and Islamic Jihad were recently quoted as saying even if
Arafat and the PA declared a cease-fire, they would *not* honor it, and
would continue the bombings.

So, for an effective peace with a legitimate Palestinian "government" to
occur, the illegitimate terrorist organizations must be stopped.

-Ben


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:20 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Bush's Mid East Policy
> 
> 
> So Howard tell me where this statement is wrong:
> 
> The Arab world doesn't hate us because of 
> Hollywood. And they don't hate us because of our subtle Saudi 
> presence. 
> They hate us because our hi-tech weaponry is being used by Israeli 
> soldiers to kill Palestinian men, women, and children.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:18 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Bush's Mid East Policy
> 
> 9/11 happened because there's a lot of stupid people running 
> around who
> will
> buy any propaganda fed them by any megalomaniac. It had nothing to do
> with
> the rightness or wrongness of American foreign policy and 
> everything to
> do
> with one individual's lust for power.
> 
> H.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:16 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Bush's Mid East Policy
> 
> 
> Our support of Israel is one of the reasons 9/11 happened.
> 
> And Bush is not a moron....I will give you that he is not the best
> public speaker but he is getting better.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:23 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Bush's Mid East Policy
> 
> > *shrug*
> >
> > Sometimes I think Bush is a moron.
> 
> Only sometimes? ;)
> 
> >
> > The double speak coming from him is rather idiotic.
> >
> >
> > Just the other day he was declaring that they understand the Israeli
> > reaction and support it.
> >
> > -Gel
> 
> Todd
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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