We need a decent modern .45 acp side arm. Look there are some things that we have perfected. The .50 machine gun, the ..45 ACP and the high range M-4 (think HK 416 or some of the amazing colt and bushmaster variants out there, the sig, oh man.) The medium range M-14 with the right scope and optics for your DMs. The 7.62 bolt gun for real snipers.
The M-9 is an always has been a disgrace. I will freely admit that for civilian carry it might be fine, but we have available to us a wide range of ammunition that the military are prohibited from using. For just sheer stoping power, when comparing ballistics of jacketed ball ammunition, the 9mm can never compare or even be considered in the same class as the .45 acp. I don't think we should go back to the 1911. There are a great many newer high capacity, highly accurate and reliable .45s on the market that would fit the bill with little or no alteration. The springfield, the glock, HK has 2 or 3. The M-16/A$ and M-4. Love and hate relationship there. Loved my M-4 hated the old M-16/A2. Had an M-16/A4 for a minute when I was in a mech company. It was ok because I got my optics for it and could reach out pretty well with it. I didin't like going through the door with it. I'm the same height as you, and use the same positions. I love the new stocks. The full stock over you shoulder doing breach and clear, or trench or whatever, nah man can't see it. The other bonus with the M-4 was the ease of rigging it and jumping it. Light, small, awesome. All that being said. You have to responsible with the M-4. It has a very small gas tube, it fouls easily, and the environment we operate in is dusty and irty. With proper mainenance it's great, but I have seen more than one fail in combat. The mossberg is a mans best friend. If I were only allowed to own own gun that would be it. With every accesssory they make. Longer magazine tubes, and shorter ones, same with barreles, a pitols grip, a folding stock and a full stock. A decent slug barrel, with optics. Such a versitile tool. The most worrying aspect of our weapons systems to me primarily revolve around the M-249 SAW, the M240B MG and the MK-19. Let me start by saying the saw in an airborne configuration with a 100 round nut sack is my preferd weapon to take out of the wire. It just has to be the right one, because there are a ton of them, 50% maybe, that don't run for shit. Not off a belt and certainly not off of a magazine. You get a good one, and you are the wrath of god. Clearing rooms, suppressing windows, hell entire buildings. The 240 needs to go. It's too heavy, and has a great many reliability issues under extremem conditions (think -30 moutnains of afghainstan jams 3 rounds after the hadj initiate an ambush with crew servedweapons). The M-60 E3 variant initially made for the Navy Seals can fire 50,000 rounds without maulgunction under the worst of conditions and is pounds lighter. The MK-19. I ran this gun or an M2 .50 for a year in a turret on patrols. Up and down the mountains. The .50 never failed me, notonce, I knew my head space and timing without using the tool, and she ran till I let up. The only time I need my MK-19 we were able toget one round out of it. Same ambush I mentioned above. We had 3 weapons systems go down in that fight. My junior was in V1 on the .50. He hadn't checked his headspace after the last stop and we'd been banging aroudn for like 3 days already. My gun just locked up, we didn't have any lsa for it and were using other lubes and they couldn't deal with the cold, got gunked with a tiny amount of dust and three of us couldn't move the bolt. And the 240 gunner had used this new graffite stuff that was supposed to be the move for lube. Comes in a pint can and you dip your botl in it. Then hang it dry. Well it didn't like the cold either I guess. I ended up with a buddies saw that had to be cleared every 5th round and eventually my M-4. Tell you what with the ACOG I was reaching out though. Shit, sorry. I'm never sure if these stories are ok, but some of you are my family :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:45 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: gun talk... clickNclack > > Yeah, I don't miss the M-16. I am short (5'6") and always had > a problem with holding the rifle comfortably. I still > qualified expert all of the time, but the M-4 is great with > the collapsible stock. When shooting without body armor, I > put it in the middle position and it feel great. With body > armor, collapse it all the way in and it still feels great. > It is a bit louder than the M-16 though since it is a > carbine. The shorter barrel and shorter stock makes it great > for clearing rooms. > And the shotty is great for breaching. We use the Mossberg > 500 with a pistol grip. The sound of racking a round almost > gives me a woody every time. And I am sure it scares the shit > out of whoever is on the receiving end. > I do wish the Army would get rid of the Barretta though. No > one likes that POS. We need the .45 back. Of course, being in > the infantry I will never be issued a pistol unless I become > something like a 1sgt or CSM. > > Bruce > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:58 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > > > a. rifle > > In my personal collection, my favorite to fire is my Mosin-Nagant, > > Russian Service rifle from 1912-ish... > > > > As far as just plain ol' shootin' goes, I'm partial to M-16s and > > civilian variants. Qualified expert on M-16A2 so it holds a special > > place in my heart, the ol'POS... :-) > > > > Don't care for the AK's, there's just too much play. And there's > > something to be said for the reassuring clang of the recoil > assembly > > in an M-16 stock. > > > > > b. shotgun > > I've a 16 guage pump action that I recently came into possession of. > > My father owned it before me. Hard to find shells for it > any more, but > > damn what a gun! > > > > 5+1 in the spout. > > > > And the rack and clack of a slide is a chilling sound. > > > > > c. handgun > > gotta say I do love my Colt M1917 Revolver, also my M1917 Smith & > > Wesson. .45 ACP with the half moon clips. > > > > Big, burly trench busting fun. Single or double action, 6 > > rounds-at-a-time. Think Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indy shooting the > > sword-wielding bad-guy. :-) > > > > -- > > will > > > > "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that > would just > > be unacceptable." > > - Carrie Fisher > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:281587 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
