Well, China is not sending things over here that blow us up. China is not sending people over here to show these people how to use the things they send over here to blow us up. China is not threatening to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. China is not calling for the Islamic world to stand against us. China does not kidnap our US diplomats and lock them up for a few years. China has their own set of problems sure, and their human rights record leaves a hell of a lot to be desired. But I do not feel threatened by China. To me they are a sleeping dog. Leave them be. And no, Iran has not turned Israel into a nuclear wasteland YET, because Iran does not yet have a nuclear weapon (at least none that we know of). I do not want to wait until the day they do to see if they would actually use it. They showed that they are not afraid to use chemical and biological weapons. They did that against Iraq during their war. I am all for letting sleeping dogs lay, but when the dog begins to bark, I start to become concerned. But you never answered my question. In fact, no one has yet to answer the question of how long do you give diplomacy to work until you realize that it is not, and then you need to take it up a notch? When is talking over and time to take action begins? Because if you all had your way, we would still be talking to Saddam Hussein while he constantly defies UN orders not to shoot at our planes, not to use the oil for food program to line his pockets, and to stop killing his own people. Which brings me back to my opinion on the UN. Several of their resolutions were broke, with no consequences. We spent over 8 years "talking" to Saddam. Yeah Clinton sent some missiles over there and in Afghanistan a few times, but that was usually a wag the dog situation, not because he actually meant to be tough. So can you answer that? I answer your questions but all you do is come back with more questions. We can go around and around all day like this. All I want is a very simple, clear, to the point answer. When do you stop talking and start shooting? It should not be a hard answer really. If you come back with more questions and no answers, then I guess we are done talking and I am done with this thread.
Bruce Judah McAuley wrote: > I see. And 3 decades of Islamic Iran has turned Israel into a nuclear > wasteland has it? > > Seriously, Iran is a threat. No doubt. No one is disputing that, no > one is saying otherwise. You seem to think so but you are very wrong. > Iran is a sovereign nation. They haven't attacked anyone. They've done > less with their proxy armies than we have. We need to constrain them > where we can, we need to put our foot down on important issues, we > have our national interests to think of. At the same time, we are much > much better served by diplomacy than warfare. > > China has been far more of a serious threat to us and our national > interests than Iran and for longer. Militarily, diplomatically, > economically, philosophically. They have actual nuclear weapons. They > repress minority populations. They don't have religious freedom. They > hold large amounts of our national debt. They are our competitor for > oil supplies. They stick their noses in the affairs of other countries > and prop up regimes that threaten us. So what's the difference? China > is big. We can't just impose our will on them. Instead we have to > negotiate, we have to try and push our interests and try to help > direct China in its slow transformation. > > Why don't you think we can do the same with Iran? What makes Iran so > different from China? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:288039 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
