Adam,

I use every ounce of my Suburban, if you don't believe me I'll be happy
to strap you to roof for the trek home to Michigan this Christmas,
because that is the only spot where there will be any room.  My son (18
months), and the amount of stuff he travels with fills the truck.  Not
to mention my stuff, my wifes stuff and we are planning another kid.
And what about towing the boat and camper???  A little Honda ain't gonna
cut it for that? So my Suburban isn't an ego trip, it comes from
necessity, not to mention safety.

Kevin


-----Original Message-----
From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:17 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee

I hear ya Erika. I know people will eventually realize that the
implications
of being wasteful are REAL, as generations pass on. It's not so much a
hippie/left-wing/tree-hugging thing as it is common sense. When there's
a
limited resource, it's common sense to use what you need. When there's a
limited resource that drives our society as we know it (the electricity
that's allowing me to talk about muffins with a woman from Europe), it's
common sense to try to use less than you need. Why do some people insist
on
using more, just because they can? That's just being a stubborn ego
freak.

Adam.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:47 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee
> 
> 
> WHAT???
> 
> A Jeep Grand Cherokee, even though I don't particularly like them (I
> drive an Oldsmobile Bravada), are by no means the worse choice he/she
> could make. Be grateful they aren't driving a Ford Excursion, or a
> Lincoln Navigator. Now there's a couple of resource hogs.
> 
> This may be an interesting debate, but it's a tiresome one. 
> People like
> their big vehicles, and there isn't much in our lifetime 
> that's going to
> change their minds. It'll probably take a few more generations to come
> round full circle. 
> 
> It's interesting over here in the UK where almost ALL the 
> cars are tiny
> .. And of course the Smart Car is popular as well. But Europe has tiny
> roads, and gas is extravagant.
> 
> So people buy small cars and/or commute to work via train/bus.
> 
> America is VAST and gas is cheap. Families are big, traveling is fun,
> people like big cars and trucks. Ahh, the freedom of choice.
> 
> I'm sorry I drive a big SUV, but I love my SUV. :)
> 
> 
> Erika
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> >>| -----Original Message-----
> >>| From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> >>| Sent: 30 April 2002 20:24
> >>| To: CF-Community
> >>| Subject: RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee
> >>| 
> >>| 
> >>| Maybe you should consider a vehicle that's shocks need not 
> >>| support 4000lbs of steel. And at 16Mpg, you're definitely 
> >>| not supporting our great president in reducing our 
> >>| dependency on foreign oil.
> >>| 
> >>| Other reasons for considering a "down-grade":
> >>| 
> >>| Reduce traffic (which reduces urban sprawl (which reduces 
> >>| the human footprint on our overly-crowded earth)). Reduce 
> >>| pollution; I've yet to meet a person that doesn't enjoy 
> >>| breathing. Reduce taxes/tolls - more weight/bigger tires on 
> >>| the pavement requires more tax-funded resources to fix it.
> >>| 
> >>| Sorry, I know this is coming from a lurker - but I try to 
> >>| hop in when I get the time or if the topic is interesting.
> >>| 
> >>| Adam.
> >>| 
> >>| 
> >>| > -----Original Message-----
> >>| > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>| > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:39 PM
> >>| > To: CF-Community
> >>| > Subject: RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee
> >>| > 
> >>| > 
> >>| > Has he had a problem with the shocks on the Jeep leaking oil?
> >>| > 
> >>| > I have went through 8 shocks in 40,000 miles.  All of 
> >>| them had to be
> >>| > replaced because of them leaking oil.  Just spent $300 
> >>| > somewhere else to 
> >>| > get shocks that do not leak oil (gas shocks) and I am getting 
> >>| > ready to fire 
> >>| > a letter off to Chrysler and ask for $300.
> >>| > 
> >>| > Thanks
> >>| > Jacob
> >>| > 
> >>| > At 01:32 PM 4/30/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >>| > >I have guy I work with who does, what do you want to know.
> >>| > 
> >>| > 
> >>| > 
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