I never said using pot makes someone want to try harder drugs, rather that in some cases pot is the first step.
And in a world where everyone blames someone/something else for their lot in life, some choose to blame pot even when the blame squarely falls on their own shoulders. Kind of like blaming tylenol because you did not read the package thoroughly. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Michael Grant<[email protected]> wrote: > > Fair enough, however it's completely irrelevant. Using pot doesn't make > people want to try harder drugs. > Correlation != Causation > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> It can be a 'gateway drug' regardless of its the person or the drug. >> There are times where pot is merely the first step. >> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Michael Grant<[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > No I didn't miss it. If you re-read that sentence it doesn't really read >> > well if the point you are trying to make is that weed isn't a gateway >> drug. >> > >> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Obviously you missed the part where i said 'While not as prevalent as >> >> some might try to make you believe'. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Michael Grant<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Marijuana isn't habit forming. Not from a physiological standpoint >> >> anyway. >> >> > And weed being a 'gateway' drug is a reflection on the people using >> it, >> >> not >> >> > on the drug itself. >> >> > >> >> > Don't believe the hype Scott. >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> That does not make it any less habit forming or illegal. >> >> >> >> >> >> While not as prevalent as some might try to make you believe, pot can >> >> >> also be the 'spring board' drug to harder core drugs. I doubt there >> >> >> are many crack heads who started with crack, I'd bet most started >> with >> >> >> pot or cocaine. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Ras Tafari<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > give me a camera, a keg of beer, an ounce of weed, 12 weed heads >> and >> >> 12 >> >> >> drunks. >> >> >> > when we are done the intake, ill put those people in front of 100 >> >> >> > people to test annoyingness, belligerency, assholency and >> >> >> > overall well being. then an hour later, test those same people. >> the >> >> >> > drunks will still be drunk. >> >> >> > the stoners will be normal and far easier to deal with. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > im jus sayin >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Michael >> >> >> > Dinowitz<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The entire part from cocaine in moderation down was a sarcastic >> bite >> >> >> >> at pot being 'benign'. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have an uncle who lives in a nursing home. He's basically a >> >> burnout. >> >> >> >> To say that pot is benign is as wrong as saying a roofie is. Just >> >> >> >> because people smoke some now and again does not change the fact >> that >> >> >> >> it's a drug with psychoactive effects. >> >> >> >> You have alcohol as being bad but not pot. Huh?!? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Ras Tafari<[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> never, nowhere, no how, can roofies be considered benign, im >> sorry. >> >> >> >>> ive seen the outcome, and it was horrendous. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> cocaine, ive seen the outcome and it was horrendous. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> heroine, same thing. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> crack, same thing. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> alcohol, nearly the same. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> pot. never. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Scott Stroz<[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> 1. Then you would be committing a crime. >> >> >> >>>> 2. Again, it would not be in moderation. >> >> >> >>>> 3. I do not have a daughter. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> I never advocated the production/possession/use of roofies. >> >> Michael >> >> >> >>>> was merely pointing out that just about anything, including >> >> roofies, >> >> >> >>>> can be benign 'in moderation'. And, he is right and I was >> >> supporting >> >> >> >>>> him. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> Just because people use the drug for heinous reasons does not >> take >> >> >> >>>> away from the fact that roofies can be benign when taken in low >> >> enough >> >> >> >>>> doses. All the horror stories and analogies do not take away >> from >> >> that >> >> >> >>>> fact. And stating/supporting that fact does not mean I (and >> >> hopefully >> >> >> >>>> Michael) are not advocating their use. >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Ras Tafari< >> [email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> ill give your daughter one, take her out to the bar, and let me >> >> know >> >> >> >>>>> how that goes >> >> >> >>>>> for ya johnny moderation... >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Scott Stroz< >> [email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Those doses would not be what I would call 'in moderation'. >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> The point being just about anything can be benign if taken in >> >> >> >>>>>> moderation, and just abotu anything can be harmful if not >> taken >> >> in >> >> >> >>>>>> moderation. As I pointed out, water can be dangerous if enough >> is >> >> >> >>>>>> injested. >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Casey >> >> >> >>>>>> Dougall<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Scott Stroz < >> >> [email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > roofies are benign? >> >> >> >>>>>>>> If taken in moderation, yes. >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> And I'm sure the thousands of women who were slipped one then >> >> raped >> >> >> say the >> >> >> >>>>>>> same thing the next day. >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> That's by far the worst drug ever invented. >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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