By the way the video on the BigGovernement site is highy edited. In fairness, it probably would have to be to be posted on YouTube, simply for length. But it is not simply edited for length as there is a narrator and inserted text.
By the way, they ridicule the 9,000 - 7,000 arithmetic, but it is not implausible that she would get that for spending money and most of it would go for clothes and makeup. What is not clear to me is how we get from eight grand a month to nine grand a year, or how she was supposed to qualify for a mortgage with a $2,000 a year income. Doesn't make sense. Five thousand a year or less would get your Pell grant application flagged, way back in the day, the question being what were you living on and were you really somebody's dependent. I talked to a few people who told me that they were homeless or had been in jail, and the answer for them was also well, you will probably be audited, but if you can substantiate that in some way then you will be fine. But if you are trying to qualify someone for a mortgage why would you expose them to that? More editing, less explicit? Not sure, would have to look at the transcript again. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > Clearly you don't get in this type of mess by following best practices. I > didn't say the charges were nonsense. I said I am not sure there's tax fraud > there. I just read one comment about the 9600 figure -- if that was what she > was supposed to be making then, after breaking away from a pimp, that might > have been a suggestion that she commit tax fraud, that's true. > > If it was supposed to be a historic figure, well, is it really her income > if the pimp takes it away from her? That's the crux of the matter, and it's > a legitimate question. When I had it, by the way, I was a contractor for the > Department of Education and it was an official request for guidance from her > college financial aid advisor. I asked for guidance before answering the > question and though that was quite a while ago the thinking is unlikely to > have changed much. A prostitute is supposed to report her income and > essentially make a good faith effort to do so truthfully, knowing that she > might be audited. So it is not tax fraud to help her do that. > > The heart of the matter is whether the pimp is taking the money or she is > giving it and whether he truthfully is doing anything to earn it. Since it > turns on coercion it has to be answered on a case-by-case basis. The answer > in my Pell grant scenario was that the application was likely to be flagged > and that would require a review of her application and situation by a human > being at the community college financial aid department. So if they believed > that she honestly had not had the use of the money, that was what counted. > > There does seem to be be some turning of a blind eye going on in these > ACORN encounters. But prostitution is a reality in these neighborhoods. > I guess these employees may have known people who were involved, and > possibly did not see it as wrong. That *is* a problem though. I am thinking > that it would be against public policy to make a loan to a young woman who > is going to have to break the law to make the payments so if these are FHA > loans that's a problem, and even if they are private lenders, there may be > some regulatory controls that are being flouted. I don't think that's ok, > but I see this in greyscale personally.... > > I am still looking at the Brooklyn transcript. > > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Did you not read that congress voted to remove funding, the employees >> were all fired and now ACORN offices nationwide are closed for >> retraining? >> >> But the charges were nonsense :) >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Sam you can google and find *anything* on the internet. >> > >> > Actually, in the short time I was associated with ACORN I registered >> quite a >> > few Rebublicans. >> > >> > Low income housing led to government takeovers? WHAT are you smoking?? >> > >> > Overloading the welfare system? where did that come from? It's already >> > broken, Sam, it has been for decades, but where exactly do you figure >> ACORN >> > comes into that? >> > >> > By the way, I just read the DC transcript. Mention of girls, nothing >> about >> > their age. The woman tells them they cannot get a loan without >> documentation >> > then says well, here's my card, since you are a nice guy trying to get >> her >> > out of the life, call me later and I'll try. >> > >> > Huh. Obviously a threat to society. >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:304294 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
