On Nov 20, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote:
> You guys are really hung up on that example of computers.

Okay - I will bite with a nice long reply, which isn't so common for me anymore.

I am not really hung up on it just for the fun of it.  When I see a
presentation giving facts and figures about chemicals, factories,
production practices, etc - I really don't have the time or resources
to fully research everything she is presenting.  I do, however, have
the ability to detect to misleading slant of her comments about
computers.  To me - this makes me crank up my bullshit detector a few
notches and makes me skeptical of everything else she says.  I have to
assume all of the other factpinions are equally skewed.

> What do you think of Planned Obsolescence itself?

Sure - it exists. But again, it's a slanted oversimplification of a
complex problem.  While she is talking about planned obsolescence
there are images of paper cups and other disposable items going across
the screen.  Those aren't planned obsolescence, those are straight up
disposable.  There is no sneaky corporate conspiracy trying to fool
you into thinking that the paper cup you got at Starbucks is really
supposed to last 3 years.  If you don't want the disposable paper cup,
bring a coffee mug, bring a cloth bag to the grocery store.

Planned Obsolescence?  Sure that's real.  In the 70's and 80's US auto
manufacturers made some shitty cars.  They fell apart, and some of
that was intentional.  Did that suck?  Yes!  Was it wastefull? Yes!
But what happened as a result? Toyota, Honda, and a number of other
companies beat the shit out of them.  Yes, corporations those devils -
that evil capitalism, it corrected the situation US automakers were
forced to make a better product or go out of business.  Quality and
product life won, and Planned Obsolescence lost, and it was a
corporation that beat it.

Compare that to a socialist country who made a crappy car at that same
time.  Say USSR for example.  What mechanism was in place to fix
crappy quality there?  None.  There was no competition, so hardly
anyone could even afford a car.  If you could, there was nothing in
place to correct the situation.

So what about Perceived Obsolescence?  What is that?  Apple coming out
with a new iPod every 4 months?  Making you want a new one and get rid
of your old one?  Listening to her there is landfill after landfill
full of these gadgets.  Of course everyone just tosses out their old
iPod right into the incinerator when they are done with it right?
When a newer model car comes out you just drive the old one off a
cliff and call it a day right?  EBay?  Craigslist?  What's that?  They
don't exist according to her.

Again, she presents a totally slanted and black and white point of
view.  iPods, cars, and other things that are "last year's model" have
multiple lifetimes and really only get to the landfill after they have
outlived their useful life.  Even clothing that is out of style often
gets resold, or at least donated to Goodwill or the Salvation Army.

I do get her core point.  We aren't living sustainable lives.  I can
agree with that.  But her demonetization of corporations and owning
"things" is misplaced and taints her core arguments with a stink that
makes me skeptical of everything she's saying.

-Cameron

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