http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/rudner1999/Rudner1.asp
http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/ray2009/2009_Ray_StudyFINAL.pdf Though, I am fairly certain you will find fault with these. I am nto sure I have ever seen you 'approve' of a study that has been posted here - for any topic :D On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: > > Please list at least two of them. Its all ok to say such, but I'd > still like to see the citation rather than depend on a second or third > hand account. One of the most basic things you learn in experimental > design and data analysis courses is never depend on secondary or > tertiary sources. You may be correct. Then again you may be distorting > things considerably to support your point. How do I know? Unless I can > see the studies myself and judge their methodological adequacy I have > no idea whether your point is valid or not. 2 or 3 citations from peer > reviewed journals would be enough. > > As for the rest, well you know my opinion on argument by anecdote. > > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Larry - for years, proponents of home schooling have said that the >> children do not get as good of an education. There have been numerous >> studies that have shown that, on average, home schooled children score >> better on standardized tests than their public or even private school >> counterparts. >> >> I firmly believe that one reason is because of the student teacher >> ratio. My children get a crap ton more attention and specialized >> teaching from a 'non-professional' than either of them would ever hope >> to get from a 'professional' in public school. >> >> Public schools have to teach to the average students, so the gifted >> ones cannot excel and the ones who need help are left struggling. we >> do not have that issue. >> >> The idea that you have to be a 'professional' to teach children is >> absurd. We all teach our children all the time, whether it is part of >> a classroom or not. >> >> According to the laws of West Virginia, we have the right, as long as >> we meet the criteria to show our children's progress, to home school >> our children until they complete high school. Will this be the best >> course of action for my children? I believe so. My older son, who >> suffered a stroke when he was born, learns and thinks differently than >> most children. He would be struggling in public school, but, because >> he gets focused and customized instruction, he is at or above his >> grade level in all classes (based on his test results form last year). >> >> The thing I find most humorous about the whole home school debate is >> that most teachers (you know, those 'professionals') we have spoken to >> about home schooling support our decision and agree with our reasons >> for doing so. >> >> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> That's hared to say. I'd like to see a couple of citations on that. >>> >>> That said what is really solid is not public vs private schooling for >>> instance but parental involvement. So for the research seems to point >>> in that direction. I just found another fairly solid study that >>> examined it. Solid in that in terms of experimental design etc it >>> approaches adequacy. >>> >>> As for home schooling, well parental involvement is moot. The parents >>> are involved. However I'm rather skeptical about the outcomes. Lets >>> face it except for a few exceptions home schooling is mostly done by >>> amateurs not professionals. I am sure if for instance given the >>> student teacher ratio found in home schooling situations, much better >>> outcomes may be possible if using professionals. Similarly if you >>> could have the same degree of parental involvement again I think that >>> you'd have much better academic achievement with professionals than >>> with amateurs. >>> >>> As an aside some interesting data was released recently on the Charter >>> vs DC public schools. It would appear that across the board Charter >>> schools have not lived up to their promise. Children in the DC school >>> system showed a much better increases in Maths and Sciences than the >>> Charter Schools in DC. for instance in >>> http://www.publicschoolreview.com/articles/123 >>> -- >>> ...recent investigations conducted by the Center for Research on >>> Education Outcomes at Stanford University reveal that students' test >>> scores may prove that public schools are now outperforming charter >>> schools. >>> -- >>> Similar results have been found with private vs public schooling as >>> well. Controlling for income and parental involvement, thee is no >>> difference. I suspect that something similar will be found withe home >>> schooling, despite the temper tantrums some (not you Scott) on this >>> list will have over my last statement. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is in the state's interest to ensure a minimal standard of >>>>> education. Its also in the state's interest to ensure that the >>>>> children are not abused or neglected. We may couch these in moral or >>>>> legalistic terms, but the bottom line it that it is the concern of the >>>>> state. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am not debating what is or is not in the state's best interest. Eric >>>> specifically stated that unless you are a trained/certified teacher, >>>> you should not be allowed to homeschool. >>>> >>>> It is entirely possible, as studies have shown, for someone to >>>> homeschool their children and meet (and often times exceed) the >>>> 'minimal standard of education'. >>>> >>>> Eric seems to only care about those 'rights' he agrees with. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Scott Stroz >>>> --------------- >>>> You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can >>>> wonder what the f*&k happened. - Cpt. 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