I think it shows that neither side is innocent of propaganda. Yea, its perfectly legal to have a knife in international waters, but to me, it seems kind fo strange to have it in your hand while your buddies are holding down a soldier who appears to have wounds that may have been caused by a knife.
Michael has posted in this particular thread that he does not support what Israel did with the audio. My take on all of this: no one was innocent. They all played a role in what happened by their actions or inactions. Some more than others, but they all share in the blame. Do I think the Israeli forces were out of line? It appears so, but that is based on my views as a civilian who has no military training whatsoever. Do I think those who were part of the flotilla were stupid for doing what they did? Yes, and that is based on me having a shred of common sense - something they were seriously lacking. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Medic <[email protected]> wrote: > > I tend to think the whole point of this thread is pretty disingenuous. Are > you trying to defend Israel's actions, discredit Reuters or discredit > the flotilla passengers? To me it seems a bit like you're trying to say > "see, they had weapons AND Reuters cropped a photo so the attack was > justified and editing audio is ok since they did it too." > > Reuters is not affiliated with the flotilla activists so the comparison > seems a little misaligned. Further, so what if a flotilla passenger has a > knife? They were on their own ship in international waters. Having what > looks to be between a 4 and 6 inch bladed knife isn't an offense is it? It > does nothing to justify either Israel's attack or manipulation of the audio. > > Smokescreeeeeeeeeeeeen > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Michael Dinowitz <[email protected] >> wrote: > >> >> > The knife looks like a little fish knife. >> Doesn't look so small to me, but I guess the person holding it was >> eating dinner right before stomping the soldier and just forgot he had >> it in his hand. >> >> > And I don't know that Reuters is in the business of >> > splashing big bloody photos everywhere. >> No, they're in the business of news and should be in the business of >> truth. Doctoring pictures is a crime against their readers. Other >> papers didn't seem to have a problem with the undoctored photo. The >> Turkish papers even lauded it. >> >> > It also doesn't indicate that the knife was used, or whether it was >> picked >> > up from the deck, or whether they disarmed the soldier trying to stab >> them. >> You're right. He was just holding it to clean his nails. >> >> > In comparison though, the actions of Israel were a direct attempt to >> mislead >> > the public and doctor recordings to make >> > it seem that the people aboard the ship were terrorists. >> Yep. No disagreement there. Israel sucks when it comes to media >> presentation, especially media manipulation. They would be better at >> pure, raw truth but they're afraid of showing things due to >> 'security'. They have yet to come into the battleground of the new >> world. >> >> > Reuters should have shown the knife though, so that people can see that >> what >> > was onboard the ship were common knives and other implements and >> > nothing that was specially designed for combat. >> I saw the knives they collected. Some of them were not for cutting >> bread. I saw the bulletproof vests and night vision equipment. If >> these were peaceful activists, then I'd hate to see what Turkish >> soldiers are like. And I still have not seen clear evidence that any >> of the people involved in the combat were soldiers, mercenaries, >> experienced terrorists, or the like. >> But it still makes me wonder why each of them were carrying envelopes >> of so much cash. >> >> The story is far from over. >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:320447 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
