Whatever mate. You are forging an argument about a sport you know nothing about based on a tagline you know nothing about. FIFA agreed to investigate. Big deal. That agreement to look into the ball design doesn't disagree with a single point I've made. Full stop.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > You can defend it anyway you want..but FIFA does not even agree with > you or they would not be investigating the ball design - unless, of > course, this is just FIFA trying to make it seem like they really > care. > > The Super Bowl may be a 'league cup' but tons of people the world over > watch the game every year. I think on that alone, yo can put it right > beside the World Cup in terms of viewer interest. Not sure you get as > much international coverage of the EPL championship as you do for the > Super Bowl. > > FYI - I never said the NFL was superior. My exact words were 'Say what > you want about American football, but we don't re-engineer > the ball for every Super Bowl'. Each has it own plusses and minuses - > just in my opinion football has more pluses and soccer has more > minuses. > > > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Medic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Super Bowl is not at all like World Cup. > > > > Super Bowl is a league cup. It's like winning the Premier League. > > Super Bowl isn't international, it's a country-wide league. NFL is like > the > > EPL or SPL or Serie A. > > > > Yes there are comparisons, but an equal amount of comparisons can be > drawn > > to any competition. So piping up in the middle of a discussion about > World > > Cup with some comment about how the NFL doesn't change the ball is as > > ludicrous as it is benign. You might as well have posted about red > > Life-Savers. > > > > As far as the ball goes, they didn't change the tech for money. They make > > their money off the design. The balls that incorporate the actual tech > are > > usually over $100. The majority of the balls sold are the $30 ones which > are > > regular balls with the latest design. They change the tech because they > are > > trying to progress football. The same as every other sport tries to > > progress. Sports change padding, shoes, skates, sticks, gloves, balls and > > every other aspect of equipment to keep making the sport faster and more > > intense. Every sport does it. And players complain about the ball every > > world cup. It's as sure as death and taxes. If you actually want to know > the > > engineering decisions that go into it read this: > > > http://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/designengineering/features/designapplications/article.jsp?content=20100614_132645_9292&page=1 > > > > Somehow trying to say NFL is superior because they don't change the ball > is > > ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> Umm..no its not. > >> > >> I think it is a very fair comparison between football and soccer. > >> > >> Football is the most popular sport in the US. > >> Soccer is the most popular sport world wide. > >> > >> The Super Bowl typically has the largest TV ratings for any other > >> broadcast in a given year - except maybe on years where the World Cup > >> is played. > >> I cannot even begin to imagine the global ratings for the World Cup. > >> > >> Each event is broadcast across the globe in who knows ow many languages. > >> > >> Hell, they even share the number of players on the field for each side. > >> > >> So, I do not see how you can call this an apples vs oranges comparison. > >> > >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Medic <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > Now you are starting to get it... that your comparison between the two > is > >> as > >> > ridiculous as a comparison between rock-paper-scissors. > >> > </cfroadmap> > >> > > >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> I have not changed ny argument, though you seem to be throwing up a > >> >> lot of smoke in front of yours. > >> >> > >> >> I made a rather innocuous comment (intended to be a joke AND rustle > >> >> some feathers) that the NFL does not make it a habit of redesigning > >> >> the ball they use for their biggest event like FIFA does. > >> >> > >> >> You were the one who threw in the other sports (most of which are not > >> >> relevant, rock-paper-scissors? seriously?) > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Medic <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > You are changing your argument mid swing. You said it was apples to > >> >> apples > >> >> > because NFL has Super Bowl and because FIFA has World Cup. > Therefore > >> the > >> >> > list I gave speaks to that point. Now you are saying your argument > is > >> >> based > >> >> > on if a ruling body is responsible for a sanctioned ball etc. I'm > not > >> >> going > >> >> > to debate when you insist on losing the plot. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Funny, as it seems FIFA disagrees with you. Why else woud they be > >> >> >> investigating, or did you not read the link that was provided? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> To address your comment below: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Darts - don't know much about it, but the few local tournaments > (in > >> >> >> bars) I have seen, each participant brought their own darts. > >> >> >> Golf - Each golfer uses their own style ball, so they switch at > their > >> >> >> own choosing, not because the PGA decides to sell the rights to > the > >> >> >> new design. > >> >> >> Rock-paper-scissors - the only equipment is your hand, so unless > >> >> >> people start re-designing their hands, not sure this has any > >> >> >> relevance. > >> >> >> Tennis - I know less about tennis than I do darts. But I do not > ever > >> >> >> recall hearing players express concerns about the balls at any of > the > >> >> >> 4 majors. > >> >> >> Cricket - ok..I know nothing of Cricket. Absolutely nothing. So > you > >> >> >> may have a point here..its doubtful, but I will concede this one. > >> >> >> Horse racing - seriously? > >> >> >> Indy - if its anything like NASCAR, they use different tires for > each > >> >> >> race - something else I find stupid and dangerous. But aside from > >> that > >> >> >> each team supplies it own car, so if they changes anything, its > their > >> >> >> fault, not the sanctioning body. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Medic <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > So then darts, golf, paper-rock-scissors, tennis, cricket, horse > >> >> racing, > >> >> >> > indy and more are all apples to apples just because they have a > >> >> >> > large pinnacle event? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > It's not like they've changed the ball so much that it's not a > >> >> football > >> >> >> > anymore. And it's not like the teams were just given the ball > the > >> day > >> >> the > >> >> >> > world cup started. They've had lots of time to train with > Jubulani. > >> >> And > >> >> >> > these athletes can and have adjusted to the ball. This hasn't > >> >> destroyed > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > world cup nor taken any of the shine off of it. Look at Portugal > >> >> scoring > >> >> >> > seven goals in a single outing. Proof positive that changing the > >> ball > >> >> >> hasn't > >> >> >> > destroyed the game. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > So yes, apples to oranges. And again, why the hell does it > matter > >> what > >> >> >> NFL > >> >> >> > does in a discussion about the world cup? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected] > > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Lets see. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The Super Bowl is the biggest event put on by the NFL. The > World > >> Cup > >> >> >> >> is the biggest event (even bigger than the Super Bowl) put on > by > >> >> FIFA. > >> >> >> >> (Apples vs Apples there) > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The NFL does not change the design of the ball for its big > event. > >> >> FIFA > >> >> >> >> does. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Please help me understand how this is an apples to oranges > >> >> comparison? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I cannot imagine training for 4 years(or more) to get to the > World > >> >> Cup > >> >> >> >> and have to play with a ball, arguable the single most > important > >> >> piece > >> >> >> >> of equipment in ANY soccer game, that acts differently to what > I > >> used > >> >> >> >> during my training. To me, that is just...ionno...odd. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Medic <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > But how does the fact that the NFL doesn't change their ball > >> relate > >> >> to > >> >> >> >> > football in any way? It's part of world cup that they try to > use > >> >> new > >> >> >> tech > >> >> >> >> > with the balls. It just seems like you are comparing apples > to > >> >> oranges > >> >> >> by > >> >> >> >> > saying "say what you want about oranges, at least they aren't > >> >> apples." > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Scott Stroz < > [email protected] > >> > > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Sure. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> If I understand correctly, the ball being used this year was > >> newly > >> >> >> >> >> engineered specifically for this World Cup (as was, I > believe, > >> the > >> >> >> >> >> ball from 4 years ago). > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> This ball seems to be acting differently than other balls > that > >> are > >> >> >> >> >> used. You don't get that with American football (or any > other > >> >> major > >> >> >> >> >> sport in the US). > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Medic <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Would you be so kind as to help a poor fella like myself > >> >> understand > >> >> >> >> your > >> >> >> >> >> > point? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Scott Stroz < > >> [email protected] > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Say what you want about American football, but we don't > >> >> >> re-engineer > >> >> >> >> >> >> the ball for every Super Bowl :D > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Vivec < > [email protected]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Fifa responds to another point of contention in the > >> worldcup > >> >> >> today > >> >> >> >> : > >> >> >> >> >> The > >> >> >> >> >> >> new > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Ball. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The ball has come under intense criticism for it's > >> propensity > >> >> to > >> >> >> >> arc > >> >> >> >> >> >> several > >> >> >> >> >> >> > meters into the air with the slightest touch. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > This has thrown off several strikers who in regular > play > >> are > >> >> >> >> normally > >> >> >> >> >> top > >> >> >> >> >> >> > scorers. It is also supposedly responsible for the low > >> goal > >> >> >> scoring > >> >> >> >> in > >> >> >> >> >> >> > several of the matches thus far. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The number of overbars and wide strikes in this > Worldcup > >> is > >> >> >> >> supposedly > >> >> >> >> >> >> > higher than on previous years. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://www.wired.com/playbook/2010/06/fifa-promises-investigation-into-world-cup-ball/ > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:322279 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
