Except that it is not just a few...

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:53 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he
was right.


Kris, slice it any way you want, justify it any way you want. you are
still judging an entire group of people based on the words and actions
of a few. If its wrong to do that for one group, its wrong to do it
for all groups.

I will try one more example. I recently had a discussion about those
who 'cheat' the system, in terms of welfare, medicaid, etc.

I think it is safe to assume that there are as many people in each
town who 'cheat the system' as their are 'bad cops'. Would it be fair
to automatically assume that all people on welfare are cheating the
system until proven otherwise? No, it wouldn't.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Sisk, Kris <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> You're comparing apples to oranges. But let's run with that.
>
> Let's say that 5% of police officers are bad or corrupt (I suspect the
> number would be closer to 10% or 20%, but for the sake of this, we'll be
> conservative). They are spread out pretty evenly through the US, so no
> matter where you live there's a good chance you've got one in your town.
>
> Now let's give the same 5% figure to Muslims who are terrorists (I have
> no idea what the actual number here is and I would be pretty leary of
> anyone who claimed to have the exact figure. 5% is probably high, but
> since we're guessing we may as well match the guess above). Unlike the
> bad or corrupt US police officers, they're concentrated in the Middle
> East. The odds of running into an Islamic terrorist inside the United
> States at this point are slim to none. I'm not foolish enough to believe
> DHS has kept them all out (that would be a monumentally huge task) but I
> would be truly shocked if there were more than a few dozen in the entire
> nation.
>
> Compare that to the thousands of officers out there who'd put you in
> cuffs with the slightest excuse. It doesn't even need to be a bad
> officer. A good officer in a bad mood can be almost as dangerous at
> times.
>
> But here, how about we have the view of a police officer on the matter.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:25 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently,
> he was right.
>
>
> Oh...so, its OK to pre-judge people as long as there is a chance that
> if they are 'bad' their actions may vastly effect your life.
>
> After all the terrorist attacks perpetrated by Muslims, it would be
> OK, based on your explanation, for me to assume all Muslims are
> terrorists until proven otherwise? A terrorist can physically harm or
> kill me. With the stakes that high it only makes sense to use every
> shield against Muslim terrorists that we have. It's not about being
> disrespectful to them. It's about protecting myself.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Sisk, Kris <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Let's put it to you this way: What are the potential consequences of
>> running into a bad cashier? You get short changed a little, right?
> Small
>> beans, but I still double check that I got the change I was supposed
> to
>> when I go to the store. A bad mechanic and you'll have to take your
> car
>> to another one. Expensive maybe, but not exactly life altering. A bad
>> programmer and you get bugs that don't get fixed. You're out the cost
> of
>> the software, but 90% of the time you can just switch programs.
>>
>> Now with a bad police officer, you might end up in jail or you might
>> have a ticket on your record that shouldn't be there and double your
>> insurance rate for the next 5 years. With the stakes that high it only
>> makes sense to use every shield against bad cops that we have. It's
> not
>> about being disrespectful to them. It's about protecting myself.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:08 AM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration
> questions.Apparently,
>> he was right.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Sisk, Kris <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are enough bad cops that there are at least one or two in every
>>> police department in the country (which is just about like any other
>> job
>>> really).
>>
>> So, based on this statement, is it safe to assume that you pre-judge
>> everyone and assume they are one of 'the bad ones'? Or is it just law
>> enforcement?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 



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