We are also a nation of precedents...that is how our legal system works. It is based more on precedent rather than codified law (except in Louisiana, which is based off of Napoleonic code). The rest of the country has it's legal systems based off Anglo-Saxon Common law.
-----Original Message----- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 10:03 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... The point is that the right delineating in the constitution supersede implied or generally accepted (but not delineated) rights. Therefore while it would be nice to prevent the WBC from disrupting those funerals, the constitution effectively prevents us from doing so, and for good reason. If the rights set forth in the constitution does not apply to all, then does it really apply to any people? We are a nation of laws. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: > Isn't an anti-abortion group trying to interfere with women's rights? > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Eric Roberts > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You are also comparing apples and oranges. None of those groups are >> interfering with anyone else's rights. As Chief Justice Oliver Wendell >> Holmes stated...your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. So >> there is a precedent for this in that the exercise of one group's rights >> cannot interfere with the rights of other groups. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:46 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... >> >> >> It is not a matter of right or wrong. The issue is that you are quite >> willing to remove the constitutional rights from members of an >> obnoxious group simply because you disagree with them. What's next? >> Forbidding members of anti-abortion groups from voicing their >> opinions? Stopping members of the tea bagging party from meeting? >> Preventing members of the republican party from voting at the polls? >> Enforcing servitude based on a person's skin colour? >> Once you start restricting the rights of one group based on >> essentially trivial reasons you open the door for others to do the >> same. >> >> I've never liked the slippery slope argument, but in this case it applies. >> >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Eric Roberts >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Yes...I don't think it would be right to protest anyone's funeral...even >>> they were someone along the line of Manson or even Bush ;-) even their >>> families should be allowed the time to grieve in peace. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:17 AM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... >>> >>> >>> the WBC were protesting on public land however. Second where is the >>> rights of families enshrined? What amendment of the constitution? Or >>> for that matter where in the state constitution? >>> >>> And yes it has a lot to do with popularity. If the WBC were not such a >>> stain on humanity would you be reacting as you are now? >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Eric Roberts >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> It has nothing to do with popularity...it has everything to do with the >>>> right of a family to greave in peace and their right to privacy. Even if >>> it >>>> was a civilian funeral, they have a right to privacy. Cemeteries, in >> most >>>> states, are not public land, but privately owned property. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:42 AM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... >>>> >>>> >>>> Public land. So do we start limiting freedom of assembly now based on >>>> popularity? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Eric Roberts >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I would disagree...they were next to a cemetery within visual and >>> auditory >>>>> range of a family conducting a funeral. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 5:58 AM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So are you saying that constitutional rights should only be available >>>>> to those you agree with? >>>>> >>>>> Also unfortunately where the WBC protested was also part of the public >>>>> public square. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Eric Roberts >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> While the Nazi party and the KKK are just as offensive, they do their >>>>> thing >>>>>> out in a public square and are not disrupting the funeral of a soldier. >>>>> The >>>>>> rights of the family trump all others in this case. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 7:27 PM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps, but if we don't allow the same freedoms for all even those >>>>>> real obnoxious asshats like Phelps, what is the next exception. That's >>>>>> why the Nazi party was allowed to march through parts of Skokie >>>>>> Illinois, the KKK through majority black districts and communist >>>>>> groups through majority eastern European districts. >>>>>> >>>>>> If we do not defend the rights of those asshats, we cannot justify >>>>>> defending the rights of those we agree with. There are no exceptions. >>>>>> Either everyone has those rights or none of us do. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No...some things actually are sacred...like the right to bury a loved >>>> one >>>>>> in >>>>>>> peace. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 6:43 PM >>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You mean that the rights enshrined in the constitution should only be >>>>>>> enjoyed by those you agree with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My how Republican of you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's the people speaking when the government won't do the right >> thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Medic [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 6:17 PM >>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: A little Karma with that protest... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wow, that's pathetic. Why are you applauding this? Does slashing an >>>>>>> asshat's >>>>>>>> tires make the tire slashing itself any less asshat-ish? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11 >>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101114 >>>>>>>>> _11_A12_CUTLIN105145> &articleid=20101114_11_A12_CUTLIN105145 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It appears that after the protest, the Westboro Baptist asshats >> found >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>> tires slashed.and no one in town would help them fix their vehicles >>>>>>>>> hehehehe. I bet that after having to drive a few blocks on their >>> rims >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> also had to have their rims replaced. All the local businesses >>>> refused >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> service. Good thing the corporatist Walmart wasn't too far away. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Go McAlester! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:331697 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
