On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Eric Roberts
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> See below
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 06:35
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Democratic congresswoman shot in the head at point blank range.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:55 AM, denstar <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> You don't see it as a sad commentary on the state of the nation when
>> you, let's say, /wouldn't be too surprised/ to hear someone was
>> 'influenced' by things said by Palin and the Tea Party?
>
> Here is the funny part. Until this shooting, I had not known about Palin's
> map (or the one put out by the DNC). I had not heard any of Palin drivel
> about 'don't retreat, reload'. So, there really is no way that could have
> influenced me either way. When I said 'right wing nut job' - which, by the
> way, have existed long before Palin or the Tea Party were around - I was not
> referring to their influence.
>
> ********************
> What cave have you been hiding in Scott? I believe that has even been
> discussed here...Ironically enough, Rep Giffords made some comments during
> the election about being in Palin's crosshairs and how that was going over
> the top with the hateful rhetoric (in the context of being combined with
> lock and load and don't retreat...reload.)
> ********************
I recall the '2nd Amendment Solution' statement discussed here, but I
do not recall seeing anything else about Palin's map or her comments
until this past Saturday. Could quite possibly be that every time I
see Palin on TV, I tend to change the channel. There is nothing she
has to say that really interests me.
>
>>
>> Horse shoes and hand-grenades, my friend-- I'm not trying to put words
>> in your mouth. There's no need. This *is* obvious stuff.
>>
>> We all wondered the same thing, and it wouldn't have mattered *what*
>> was put in the headline-- "politician shot" would probably be enough,
>> for people to go: "hrm, I wonder if someone took something that was
>> said too far? They'd have to be nuts, but...".
>
> Not me, because, as I said, I had not heard most of the 'rhetoric' - except
> maybe the '2nd amendment solution' crap, but I do not even recall who said
> that, pretty sure it was not Palin.
>
> Now, isn't it possible that this guy had also not heard any of that crap? I
> think it is, which is why I think a crap ton of people jumped the gun in
> blaming Palin and the Tea Party for this shooting. That does not mean I
> condone what they say. In the last few days, I have wondered, aloud, 'why is
> it that crazy people don't go on a shooting spree at the Westboro Baptist
> Church?' Does this mean that if someone does that I would be responsible?
>
> I am a big believer in personal responsibility. Obvious some on this list,
> and elsewhere in the country, do not share that belief and always look to
> blame someone other than the person who actually commited the act.
>
> *****************************
> That was Sharon Angle...the AZ teabagger candidate for senate who lost to
> Harry Reid.
>
> I doubt it...I think you are probably the only person in the word who hasn't
> heard this. People have been saying for quite some time that the rhetoric
> is over the top and there have been several examples of over the top
> rhewtoric leading to people getting killed or injured as a result. No...I
> wouldn't say you would be even remotely possible. You are not addressing
> millions of people and your words are not being spread across the world via
> the media. That is the point several of us have been trying to make and you
> and the conservatives on this list seem to either be oblivious to this or
> purposely ignoring it. Folks like you and I can say stuff all we like and
> it not be heard by a group of people larger than maybe 100 on a good day.
> Palin, Angle, Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilley, etc have audiences of millions.
> They can and will create large scale memes because of their
> influence...something that you really dont have the capability of doing,
> unless you are a leader of some secret cult like group ;-)
If its possible I had not heard it, its possible others had not either
- that is all I am saying..
>>
>> And hell, it doesn't even have to be something that's said, per se.
>>
>> Sam is like "Obama presides over most polarized political landscape
>> evah!", and while I don't think Obama has as much to do with it as,
>> um, we do ('we' as in nation), the meaty core is that a lot of us have
>> begun caring more about "our side" than the fucking whole.
>
> Could not agree with you more.
>>
>> Damn, you said "fair", neh? If you'd said something about "hurt" or
>> "painful", that line would have been perfect. I just had to squeeze
>> it in somewhere, because I was going to use it on the wife the other
>> night, but she's heard me say it plenty, and probably would have
>> punched me in the face. (not really, but I don't think it would have
>> been seen as uplifting by her as I meant it to be.)
>
> Maybe I expect to much form the media. Oh, how I long for the days where it
> was easy to tell the difference between 'news' and 'commentary'. I
> understand spin, really, I do. But to start spinning from the first
> reporting of a tragic story like this, that juts pisses me the fuck off.
>
> **********************
> What pisses me off is the hypocrisy of people claiming to be all about
> personal responsibility and then running like chickens with their heads cut
> off away from it when their words could have resulted in the death and
> injury of several people.
There has been no proof that anything said by Palin or anyone else had
any influence on this guy. It seems that he felt slighted by Giffords
in 2007 and he fixated on her - long before Palin and the Tea Party
became 'popular'
--
Scott Stroz
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