For running away from the possibility that she may have influenced him with her words. Someone commented in another forum, commenting on what Kieth Olbermnan said, to paraphrase since I dont remember where the original quote is..."I do not believe that anything I have said would have influenced this guy to shoot anyone, but if my words did incite any of this, I do apologize..." If she had said anything like this...instead of screaming about blood libel... which is a very racist term and a whole 'nother discussion...we probably wouldn't be discussing this.
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 08:34 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democratic congresswoman shot in the head at point blank range. Eric - as much as I despise Palin, there is still no evidence that what she said, and the map she put out, had ANY influence on this guy. So, how is she a hypocrite? How is she NOT taking responsibility? She is not denying she said what she did. If there was some proof and she did not 'man up', well, then I would agree with you. But until they can show that what she said had an influence on this guy, I fali to see how she is being hypocritical. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > The only fools, Sam, are the hypocrites that are denying it and > running from the personal responsibly they like to yack about so much, > yet run from when confronted with it... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 08:19 > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Democratic congresswoman shot in the head at point blank range. > > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:52 AM, denstar <[email protected]> wrote: >> Come now, you know as well as I that the Democrats haven't been as >> gun happy. Hell, that's one of the memes, right? The dems & libs >> will take your guns- we want you to bring them to rallies! >> (metaphorically, we meant!) > > That's pure bullshit and your a fool to say it. > Real threats have been coming from your side all along. And now, due > to the level of effort your side when through to blame Palin for this, > death threats to her have increased at unprecedented levels since the shooting. > Stop making shit up and presenting it as known fact. > >> Don't go 'n' pull the JerryB card, where you equate 3% as being the >> same as 33% -- hey, they're both percents, right? "You do it too!" >> et al. > > I know you think facts suck but we like them. Where did you get the 3% > number? > >>> Pretty much. I know, the easiest way to back peddle here is to say >>> "taht's not what I meant by that." >> You say this because I don't blame Obama for the polarization? > > I say it because you're blaming Palin for the causing people to shoot > senators, but probably not this one. Unrelated topics sharing a thread. > >> I happen to believe that we are all connected, and thus, yes, have an >> effect on each other-- everyone, even. > > That's deep. But we're discussing a shooting. Are you now saying we > influenced this guy even though he didn't watch tv or listen to politics? > Are you saying the Dem that said to shoot the guy running for Governor > didn't effect him but Palins lock and load comment did? > Why are you sneaking in here disguised as a right wing issue when you > clearly know it is not? > >> How much is up for debate, but you cannot deny that there is some > relation. > > I'm denying it. Who retaliated for what. Make that statement clear so > when you step back from it I can reference it. > >> Politicians -- *politicians!* -- capitalizing on an *armed* >> revolution >> -- and poor schmucks falling for it-- *stutter* -- while having the > > Who, what and where? Be specific. You're intentional vagueness comes > in handy down the road but I want to cut to the chase. > >> nerve to knock "hope and change". *sigh* All this is lost on you >> though. You don't have a problem with politicians using fear as >> their tool. With leveraging our anger in some sorta Hitler-like way. >> It's all the same to you. Black and white, at the same time. Gray, >> I guess? > > Hitler like way? Are you still talking about lock and load or the > democrat and his firing squad. I need clarity. > >> And I figure you'd say the same for the me. I was hoodwinked. How's >> that hope and change working out. Obama was the messiah! The One! >> Heh. Like living in a comic book. > > Whaaaa? You're on the wrong thread again. > >> And in the end-- I don't know if you believe in responsibility or >> not-- yes, "we the people" (that's me and you, bub. And Them too.) >> are ultimately responsible for the state of our nation. Hell, the >> state of the world. > > Yes. > >> Why is that thought such anathema to you? Would you rather have >> something, or someone to blame? You *want* to be ruled by "the >> Media", and evil socialists, etc., no? Absolve yourself, and >> everyone else, of any real responsibility? > > That's you bub. I want to look at facts and it seems this guy was a nutter. > You want to blame me, Palin and everyone on the right. I am not > responsible for what this guy did. > There I said it. Now you try. > >> You'd be nuts to think that what we say has no effect on one another >> though. Is that what you're saying? That "man is an island", so to >> speak? > > Yeah. > >> What, exactly, *are* you saying? > > Sometimes people lose it. It happens, pointing fingers at people you > disagree with does nothing to help, it only makes things worse. > Remember the Fort Hood shooting the first response was don't jump to > conclusions. Why didn't that happen this time? > >> I'm not sure what you are getting at. Save threads? Do you see >> discussions on this list as some sort of binary battle? "There's >> only two things you can support, and they're both extremes!" "You're >> with us, or you're a terrorist!"... maybe you think my underwear is >> too old? (but it's so comfortable!) > > You're discussing to things, this shooting and violent rhetoric that > causes shootings. You then claim the two are not related but just > happen to be discussed in the same thread. I'm saying you're excuse is > you were to lazy to start another thread, which we both know is bullshit. > >> LOL. Sorry. I honestly don't grok what that is referring t > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:333385 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
