You dont remember the illegal domestic wiretaps under the Bush administration that Obama has continued?
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:10 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election What recent history? Please show me one documented case where the gov't 'spied' on someone becasue they had a state issued ID. On the flip side: How it paranoia to want to verify someone is who they claim to be when they are casting a vote (arguably the single most important thing we, as citizens, can do)? On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > Is it paranoid when recent history supports that? There has been more > government interference into our lives...more illegal intrusions into > our privacy ever since Bush took office than during any time in our history. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 09:56 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election > > > Hrm...what is more paranoid? Wanting to require people show ID in > order to vote, or thinking that having an ID means the government can spy on you? > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Jerry Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> "A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this case >>> because, at the end of the day, it's about being true to principles." >>> >>> It's strictly a state's rights issue right now. That is why all of >>> the laws differ from each other. That is not to say that one day it >>> will not become a federal issue. I hope not. >>> >> >> Exactly, and many states (and their citizens) are concerned about the >> "slippery slope" when it comes to, say, the Census and/or registering >> your guns. However most people agree with public birth records (as >> well as marriage, residence of citizenship, etc). >> >> Thus states, countries, and cities should have a good record of who >> is possibly a voter. >> >> If you walk into a polling place to vote and claim to be Jerry >> Born-in-Barnesville they should be able to easily look you up. And, >> just to ensure you're not trying to impersonate Jerry, they might ask >> you for a recent energy or phone bill, the assumption being that they >> know you were both there and you'd really have to be special to >> trying to pull a fast one. They might even ask you to have a >> neighbor or 2 vouche for you in case you don't have such bill. >> >> But requiring an ID would therefore be unnecessary, punitive, and >> generally paranoid to the point of delusi >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:339370 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
