yeah, I think that's different On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Ras Tafari <[email protected]> wrote:
> > i sweat after i eat anything with Jalapeno's > > that's no cause for concern, right? > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Maureen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > If you have insulin resistance, as most obese people or those who tend > > toward obesity do, the metabolic processes of the liver and the entire > > insulin/sugar chemical chain behave very differently than in those who > > do not have IR. Consumption of HFCS puts a tremendous burden on the > > liver, and will cause blood sugar spikes. One sure indicator of this > > is sweating after meals. > > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> I don't measure blood glucose, but I do feel the spikes (esp now that I > rarely consume sugars). > >> > >> For post workouts, I typically use dextrose but I also use raw local > honey; the honey gives me much more of a "rush" than dex. > >> > >> As to HFCS, I don't know as I haven't had any in years and I'm not > willing to experiment : ) > >> > >> The odd thing is that, to my knowledge, fructose doesn't spike your > blood sugar (granted HFCS is only half fructose) ... So interesting. > >> > >> Since I've stopped consuming sugars (mostly, I still have cake or > something if it looks good and it's been awhile), everything else is sweet! > >> > >> E.g., raw broccoli is very sweet to me now. Black beans are sweet. A > banana (I avoid tropical fruits though) is REALLY sweet. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jan 31, 2012, at 6:05 AM, "Eric Roberts" < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Couldn't tell you as it is not labeled as to what the mix is. All I > know is > >>> that if I consume something with HFCS, I have really large > >>> spikes...something that does not occur with honey. Maybe there are > other > >>> factors involved as this was not a scientific study, but that has just > been > >>> my observation. I just try and avoid them when possible. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:29 PM > >>> To: cf-community > >>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>> > >>> > >>> Huh, I wonder what the mechanism is there assuming its HFCS 55? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:58 PM, "Eric Roberts" > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> That is just my observation backed up by blood glucose readings > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:57 PM > >>>> To: cf-community > >>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> How could that be? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:10 AM, "Eric Roberts" > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I do see a difference with honey. It also doesn't cause the massive > >>>>> spike that even small amounts of HFCS cause. > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:14 AM > >>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> You're right - here's the key point from wiki on table sugar: > >>>>> > >>>>> "In humans and other mammals, sucrose is broken down into its > >>>>> constituent monosaccharides,glucose and fructose" > >>>>> > >>>>> HFCS can really be all sorts of mixes but lets say it's HFCS 55: that > >>>>> means 55% fructose and 45% glucose. In other words your body doesnt > >>>>> have to break it down first. This is also very similar to honey's > >>>>> sugar profile. Here's the thing with fructose from wiki: > >>>>> > >>>>> "Fructose is absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract by a different > >>>>> mechanism than that for glucose. Glucose stimulates insulin release > >>>>> from the isolated pancreas, but fructose does not. Fructose is > >>>>> metabolized primarily in the liver." > >>>>> > >>>>> So if you want to experiment, try using honey in place of HFCS - in > >>>>> general you should see no difference. They're the exact same. > >>>>> > >>>>> Bottom line IMO: stay away from all sugars especially fructose. It's > >>>>> bad ju ju. Any experienced trainer will tell you the same thing. Or > >>>> doctor: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html > >>>>> > >>>>> Fructose is likely a poison. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 29, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> nuh uh, been down that road and couldn't figure out why I kept > >>>>>> gaining weight. Your mileage may vary and apparently does but the > >>>>>> science is on Larry's side on this: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/18/FDGS24VK > >>>>>> M > >>>>>> H > >>>>>> 1.DTL&ao=all > >>>>>> > >>>>>> oh and I just found this while I was looking those up, so all the > >>>>>> more reason, I say. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR20 > >>>>>> 0 > >>>>>> 9 > >>>>>> 012601831.html > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As for avoiding fruit, um, disagree there too. I can't really > >>>>>> explain the difference between fructose in fruit and fructose in > >>>>>> high fructose corn syrup, but apparently there is one, because > >>>>>> eliminating processed food has very much made the difference for me. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dana > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Don't worry about HFCS ... Any more than any other sweetener that > is. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's just like cane sugar, beet sugar, maple sugar, agave sugar, > >>>>>>> etc > >>>> etc. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> They're all sugar: a mix of sucrose/fructose, usually about 50/50. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's the fructose (without fiber) that kills you. Literally. Stay > >>>>>>> away from all forms of fructose except whole fruit and that only > >>>>>>> sparingly, ideally berries or grapefruit. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you want sweetener use stevia. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Eric Roberts" < > >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> HFCS are evil. I try to avoid them when I can, but it is pretty > >>>>>>>> hard to avoid them completely. We even, when we drink soda, make > >>>>>>>> our own using a Sodastream machine...their syrups have less sugar > >>>>>>>> for the regular ones > >>>>>>> (zero > >>>>>>>> for the diet syrups) and do not contain HFCS. Most of the time we > >>>>>>>> just drink Crystal Lite since that uses splenda rather than > >>>>>>>> aspartame > >>>>>>> (something > >>>>>>>> that is also very evil). When I was first diagnosed with diabetes > >>>>>>>> back > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> 2000, I stopped drinking regular sodas and lost 50lbs in a few > >>>>>>>> months without doing anything else. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I generally make my sauce from scratch and I don't use meat in it. > >>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> yet to hear a single critical word about it :-D > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:42 PM > >>>>>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> yeah, I gave the can away... don't see the point. If I am going to > >>>>>>>> eat something that's not good for me, I can think of things I > >>>>>>>> would enjoy > >>>>>>> more > >>>>>>>> than tomato sauce ;) But I seem to remember reading that they were > >>>>>>> starting > >>>>>>>> to call high fructose corn syrup something else now, anyone know > >>>>>>>> anything about that? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Eric Roberts < > >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Actually sweeting tomato sauce is common, but I have always said > >>>>>>>>> that if you need to sweeten your tomato sauce, you probably > >>>>>>>>> shouldn't be making it. If done right, it doesn't need anything > >>>>>>>>> to sweeten it. So if you are buying premade sauce, if it is > >>>>>>>>> sweetened, more than likely it has HFCS. I do watch the labels > >>>>>>>>> when I know it is going to do any good. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:10 PM > >>>>>>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> It's possible, just not easy. I think another key is letting > >>>>>>>>> processed foods go, as a group. Even the stuff Whole Foods sells > >>>>>>>>> isn't necessarily organic, and unless you read every single label > >>>>>>>>> and look up every ingredient...I just noticed High fructose corn > >>>>>>>>> syrup in the tomato sauce I was using. I mean, tomato sauce? Why > >>>>>>>>> sweeten that? The next step I want to take is buying at the > >>>>>>>>> farmer's market, and even then I may ask some questions. Living > >>>>>>>>> in Santa Cruz County taught me that even something as apparently > >>>>>>>>> healthy as fresh strawberries has hidden gotchas. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Eric Roberts < > >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. > >>>>>>>>>> Corporate greed overrides putting in healthy > >>>>>>>>>> ingredients...instead we use chemicals that are harmful to us > >>>>>>>>>> and tend to increase obesity. In the lower class and even parts > >>>>>>>>>> of the middle class...i would say that yes, we are powerless to > >>>>>>>>>> stop > >>>> obesity. > >>>>>>>>>> Back when we had Mom at home cooking a fresh dinner with fresh > >>>>>>>>>> ingredients, it was a > >>>>>>>> lot easier. > >>>>>>>>>> Now that most households are 2 income households, we are forced > >>>>>>>>>> to eat more fast food and foods that we can prepare quickly. > >>>>>>>>>> These foods have high amounts of saturated fats and high > >>>>>>>>>> fructose corn syrup and other products that lead to faster > weight > >>> gain. > >>>>>>>>>> These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy > >>>>>>>>>> foods are much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just > >>>>>>>>>> can't afford it. I know I would love to shop at whole foods all > >>>>>>>>>> the time, but I would go broke real fast and I make pretty > >>>>>>>>>> decent money. Even when you have ideal conditions and one can > >>>>>>>>>> eat relatively healthy and exercise, it is difficult to maintain > >>>>>>>>>> a good weight. Our lifestyle does not match our evolution. We > >>>>>>>>>> were designed to have very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, > >>>>>>>>>> especially for those of us in non-laborer positions, we don't > >>>>>>>>>> have the time to get the exercise we > >>>>>>>> really need. > >>>>>>>>>> So I would definitely say yes to both, depending on the > situation. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Eric > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>> From: Michael Grant [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM > >>>>>>>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at > >>>>>>>>>> a proper weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop > obesity? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" > >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot > >>>>>>>>>>> of stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in > >>>>> obesity. > >>>>>>>>>>> Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you > >>>>>>>>>>> gain weight. Other factors also get into it...things like > >>>>>>>>>>> thyroid disease, diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take > >>>>>>>>>>> to combat these diseses also contribute to weight gain. I have > >>>>> diabetes. > >>>>>>>>>>> Most of the oral meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. > >>>>>>>>>>> Insulin also increase weight gain since when you have higher > >>>>>>>>>>> insulin levels, your body will start to store glucose as fat > >>>>>>>>>>> since it thinks that, because of the elevated insulin levels, > >>>>>>>>>>> that there is an abundance of glucose in your blood. > >>>>>>>>>>> Hypothyroidism, which is pretty common, also adds to weight > >>>>>>>>>>> gain as it lowers your > >>>>>>>> metabolism. > >>>>>>>>>>> Pretty much any disorder of the pituitary/adrenal system will > >>>>>>>>>>> cause weight gain. Much of this is caused by some of the > >>>>>>>>>>> contaminats in our foods, like mercury and heavy > >>>>>>>>>> metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you > >>>>>>>>>> may not lose weight. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>>> From: Medic [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM > >>>>>>>>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in > >>>>>>>>>>> North America can attribute their physical condition to > handicaps? > >>>>>>>>>>> Is it a significant enough number to disregard a common sense > >>>>>>>>>>> approach of eat right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or > >>>>>>>>>>> processed food) and exercise? If it is, then I'll happily > >>>>>>>>>>> apologize for insinuating that the epidemic of obesity is > >>>>>>>>>>> largely > >>>>>>>> self-inflicted and preventable. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of > >>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the > >>>>>>>>>>>> other > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 99.9% of obese people. :) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped > people. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sufficiently > >>>>>>>>>>>>> due > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to disabilities. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: cf-community > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all I am saying. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some other > >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining more but > >>>>>>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> much have > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weight and keep > >>>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was > >>>>>>>>>>>> quite > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was > raw. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't eat all fruit > >>>>>>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctors, I got different advice. Don't worry about carbs - > just > >>> avoid fat. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much > >>>>>>>>>>> about the fat. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> crazy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eat > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers than > >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on this list ;) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making excuses, but this isn't really about me. I have more > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weight to lose and am pretty sure that for me the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> key > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's the case > >>>>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly > >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> times a week > >>>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> years. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because > >>>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eat > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who have thyroid problems and people who just don't > >>> exercise. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> One size does not > >>>>>>>>>>>>> fit > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all, is what I am saying. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other two legs of the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can > remember. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346193 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
