Its not just PETA or any one thing, its a pattern of behavior you exhibit of how you make the categorization of people. Are you a PETA member, or Chardonnay Sipping Liberal, etc places the target in a status you use to denote contempt. After a certain point in the discussion it always appears, almost like clockwork. In a way its almost a classical RS+ type response.
-- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 4:21 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > How so? Patterns, what other patterns? While I may not agree with > everything PETA does as a group I do agree with some of what > they think. > How they accomplish what they want is another story. My asking him if > he belongs to a group does not constitute a personal attack. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:17 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > No I was looking at behavioral patterns, not just this interchange but > quite > a few others. Its a very consistent pattern. > > I am strongly against PETA. As a group, they have no qualm > about stating > how > noblie they are in rescuing animals from whatever, and in > several cases > immediately turned around and have killed them. One recent > case in this > are > is when they "rescued" several rabbits from a high school > science class. > They then euthanized them several days later, claiming that it was > necessary > since they could not be freed into the wild. > > larry > > -- > Larry C. Lyons > ColdFusion/Web Developer > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > EBStor.com > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > tel: (703) 393-7930 > fax: (703) 393-2659 > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > http://www.pacel.com > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > -- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 4:12 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > I just wanted to know. You are assuming that I have the same > > opinion of > > PETA as Beth does. You are making assumptions without all > > the facts. I > > do agree with some of the things PETA does. Particularly in being a > > watchdog in keeping pet stores in check in how they treat > animals. So > > before you try to analyze what I am saying make sure you > have all the > > facts. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:07 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > Kevin is doing this as a method of insult and personal attack. Its a > > method > > of categorizing people and at the same time expressing contempt. In > > other > > words he is conveying the idea that your opinion is not > worth anything > > because you are marginal. > > > > Its the same as if he was asked if he's a member of some > > crazed militia > > groups that fervent believes in the black UN helicopters, > the natural > > right > > to carry any sort of firearm, etc, simply because someone > may disagree > > with > > his fervently held beliefs on certain issues. BTW this is a > comparison > > not a > > direct attack. There is a difference. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:36 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > You understand that PETA is a bunch of crazed freaks who > > > dont' think any > > > animals should be PETS and thats really quite an insult? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:57 AM > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > Then we agree to disagree. I do need to know one > thing, you don't > > > > happen to belong to PETA do you? > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:52 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > I would say the same thing. > > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:54 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > Well let me see what do you do when you hunt a deer. Shoot > > > it and kill > > > > it and gut it. What do I do when I filet a fish, I knock > > > it unconscious > > > > and slice the filet off. > > > > > > > > There is a big difference here. One is done with malice > > > the other is > > > > not. That's the difference. I am not trying to be > cruel to these > > > > animals, I am humane and take no pleasure in it. No if I > > > threw gasoline > > > > on the animal while it was in the cage, lit it on fire and > > > laughed, then > > > > I might fit their profile. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am done arguing this with you as you just don't seem to > > > get where I am > > > > coming from. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:46 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > You just (say you) blow their brains out. Big difference. > > > > > > > > Stop telling me what I do and do not understand. It is very > > > offensive > > > > having > > > > someone tell you their understanding of somebody else's point is > > > > superior to > > > > your own. > > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:42 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok. I read the study. They are talking about Animal > > > Cruelty not human > > > > removal of pests. > > > > > > > > Here is one quote from the report: > > > > > > > > In one American study, 118 out of 135 criminals, including > > > robbers and > > > > rapists, admitted that when they were children, they had > > > burned, hanged > > > > and stabbed domestic animals. > > > > > > > > Funny I don't do any of that and condone those types of > > > actions, but by > > > > your logic I am in the same league as all these people. > > What about > > > > Fishers, Hunters, Vets who put animals to sleep. > > > > > > > > Plain and simple, you are misconstruing what their point is > > > here. There > > > > is a difference between being intentionally cruel to > > animals and the > > > > situations I mentioned above. One obviously leads to > > > violence in other > > > > situations the others don't. Otherwise there would be a > > > lot of hunters > > > > and fisherman and anyone who kills an animal for reason > > > other than being > > > > cruel serving time for a violent crime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:32 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > The 'study' (as you called it) I am referring to is at: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cfhs.ca/Programs/HumaneEducation/ViolenceLink/ccbac > > > kgrounder4 > > > > htm > > > > > > > > I live in Maryland, and we have large herds of feral cats. It is > > > > virtually > > > > impossible to tell the difference between wild ones and > > > domestic ones. > > > > > > > > Happy Reading, > > > > M > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:27 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post the link to study? > > > > > > > > I hope you don't honestly consider removing a vicious > > animal that is > > > > causing harm to other animals abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:19 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > It is not that I cannot understand your justification, it > > > is just that > > > > this > > > > distinction you came up with is at odds with the one used > > > by criminal > > > > profilers with the FBI and Scotland Yard who spend their time > > > > researching > > > > these kinds of people. > > > > > > > > Animal abusers also often suffer from low self-esteem, a > > history of > > > > family > > > > abuse, frustration and an inability to manage anger. > > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:13 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok...here is my distinction. > > > > > > > > Beating the cat for doing something wrong = beating your > > > wife because > > > > she did something to piss you off. > > > > > > > > Removing a cat or dog that is sickly and causing harm to > > > other animals > > > > is not the same. One is done maliciously the other is > done out of > > > > necessity. Do you see the distinction between abusing my > > > dog because it > > > > wet on the carpet and removing a wild dog that is > > knocking over your > > > > rabbit cages and eating the rabbits you are raising for > > > show. I sure > > > > do. I don't know how you can't see the distinction > > between the two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:03 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > I am unclear on how you make that distinction provided you > > > are reading > > > > this > > > > quote without any context for understanding it. > > > > > > > > It would appear your distinction is artificial. > > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:02 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I don't think that violence was in the same > > > context. I think > > > > they are talking about the Dog owner who beats his dog. Or > > > the person > > > > who hits his cat, light it on fire whatever. That violence is a > > > > different type of violence. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:56 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > No one said anything about enjoyment, just about > violence towards. > > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:56 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not intentionally harming the animal for fun or > > > because I want to, > > > > I am ridding the farm of a nuisance. Now, if I was out > > > kicking my dog > > > > for no good reason than that might apply. I don't > > intentionally go > > > > around harming animals nor do I derive any pleasure from > > > taking their > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:49 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > Just a reminder for my friend Kevin: > > > > > > > > FBI and Scotland Yard recognize that violence towards > > > animals is one of > > > > five > > > > key indicators of a person who will commit violent acts > > > against people. > > > > A > > > > past history of violence is a predictor of future aggression. > > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:57 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > When it is in a cage it doesn't have much of an option. > > > You slide the > > > > shotgun barrel into the cage and that's all she wrote. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:01 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > Feral cats let you get within two feet? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:52 AM > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not likely with a shotgun from about 2 feet. Still is it > > > worth the > > > > risk > > > > > of rabies. I don't think so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:55 AM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > Its not possible that you might miss and injure the cat, > > > causing it to > > > > > suffer? Its not possible that the shot to the head might not > > > > instantly > > > > > kill > > > > > the cat? > > > > > Actually AC will usually come and set traps for cats for you. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:42 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So a shot to head causing instant death is not humane? > > > Why should I > > > > > > risk being scratched or bitten by a potentially rabies > > > infested cat > > > > by > > > > > > trying to take it to a shelter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:45 AM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: Re: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > Better to trap and take them to animal control where > > they can be > > > > > killed > > > > > > humanely. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:36 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We just trap and shoot them, of course the ones we > > > had were all > > > > wild > > > > > > > cats, and were causing all kinds of problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:32 AM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: RE: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have a cat who has been lurking around our bird > > > > > > > feeder and has managed to kill some birds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would like to discourage the cat without harming it - > > > > > > > just make it unhappy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saw an item in a catalog that I'm considering ordering: > > > > > > > an infrared-activated nozzle that attaches to a garden > > > > > > > house. It has a mount so you can point the hose towards > > > > > > > the area you want monitored/protected. You leave the > > > > > > > water turned on to the hose. When set off by a large- > > > > > > > enough object, it releases a pulse of water from the > > > > > > > hose (probably cold). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was hysterical, and if I had read that as a > > > young child, I > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have tried it!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Erika > > > > > > > > With a K > > > > > > > > Sneaking side glances at Snoopy and wondering if > > it could be > > > > done > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>| -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > >>| From: Hatton Humphrey > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > >>| Sent: 11 June 2002 16:29 > > > > > > > > >>| To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > >>| Subject: How to Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| Okay okay, I was late jumping in and I > > > apologise for taking > > > > > > > > >>| that thread > > > > > > > > >>| down the path that it went down, so here's some > > > humor to use > > > > > as > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > >>| muffin-shield. > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| Hatton > > > > > > > > >>| -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > >>| How To Wash A Cat > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| 1. Thoroughly clean the toilet. > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| 2. Lift both lids and add shampoo. > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| 3. Find &soothe the cat as you carry it to > > > the bathroom. > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| 4. In one swift move, place the cat in > > > toilet, close both > > > > > > > > >>| lids,and > > > > > > > > >>| stand on top, so the cat cannot escape. > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| 5. The cat will self-agitate and produce > ample suds. > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| 6. Ignore ruckus from inside the toilet > (the cat is > > > > > > > > >>| really enjoying this) > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| 7. Flush the toilet three or four times. This > > > provides a > > > > > > > > >>| power rinse, which is quite effective. > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| 8. Have someone open an outside door (don't > > forget the > > > > > > > > >>| screen door). > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| 9. Stand as far from the toilet as possible > > > and quickly > > > > > > > > >>| open both lids. > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| 10. The now clean cat will rocket out of the > > > toilet and > > > > > > > > >>| go outdoors > > > > > > > > >>| where it will quickly air dry. > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| Sincerely, > > > > > > > > >>| The Dog > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > >>| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
