The uproar about the leaks did not say that the US had a hand in the
viruses, just that there were leaks. No one in the government has said that
we did it. A wink/nod here and a supposed leak to a journalist there is not
fact, just supposition. If there was proof then Iran would/could go to the
UN and complain.

I'm sure we did it but until I see something more than speculation and
unsubstantiated 'leaks' to journalists that have not attribution, I'm going
to have to say there is no 'proof'. No facts that say we did it, just a
connect the dots of "well, we had to - who else would".

I hold the media to a high standard. Speculate all you want but tell people
that it is speculation and/or commentary. Do not make up facts where they
do not exist. Do not misrepresent facts to fit your interpretation. Do not
hide facts that are not comfortable. If you are reporting news then report
facts, not make up fiction.

Oh, and "Olympic Games" is a Bush era cyber war campaign that Obama has
made use of. Another example of how the current president is no different
than the previous one?

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Uh, there was quite the uproar on capitol hill/white house about the
> leaks confirming US/Isreal involvement. There is supposed to be better
> operational discipline, though obviously leaks happen in every
> administration. The other side of the aisle had right-wing blogs
> trashing the White House for leaking it intentionally to make
> themselves look tough.
>
> Holder has appointed 2 prosecutors to investigate leaks. McCain has
> called out the investigation a sham and said that Holder has no
> credibility and that the White House is responsible for the leaks.
>
> Not a single person, inside or outside the White House, has denied the
> revelations.
>
> Come on dude, we did it. The administration admits it. Sorry if you
> don't like that they admitted it, but they did.
>
> Judah
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Michael Dinowitz
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >  Again, the 'confirmation' is from a book written by a journalist. No
> > proof, just supposition and innuendo. I can't disprove something that has
> > not been proven to begin with. But if those articles are enough proof for
> > you then there's no facts I can bring to the table that will change your
> > mind. Anything I say will be measured against the so-called facts of
> those
> > articles and will be found wanting.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The US and Israel wrote Stuxnet.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/confirmed-us-israel-created-stuxnet-lost-control-of-it/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2012/06/12/researchers-find-code-connecting-stuxnet-and-flame-computer-viruses/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/middleeast/obama-ordered-wave-of-cyberattacks-against-iran.html?_r=2
> >>
> >>
> >> You can provide no information to say otherwise :-)
> >>
> >> On 26 June 2012 12:20, Michael Dinowitz <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > The only AV lab to detect and analyze the virus has been Russian.
> Could
> >> > they have an insight into the mind of the virus writers? Russia has a
> TON
> >> > of virus writers and no compunction about rerouting the blame to
> others.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 

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