Looking at what is involved in the treaty personally I think its a fairly good one. Its intended, when finalized, to minimize the traffic in small arms. I mean seriously does Afghanistan or Somalia need another 100,000 AK-47's.
Look at the nations who are sponsoring it, Argentina, Australia, Costa Rica, Finland, Japan, and Kenya. Now look at those countries who are opposing the treaty, or have abstained: Bahrain, Belarus, China, Egypt, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Kuwait, Laos, Libya, Marshall Islands, Nepal, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, UAE, United States, Venezuela, Yemen, and Zimbabwe. That it is mainly dictatorial or rogue states that are against the treaty says a lot. That the NRA opposes the treaty also says a lot for me. Of those countries supporting it, they are all democratic (even Kenya), mostly developed and mostly keep to themselves. Again that says a lot about the treaty. Now the thing is there is no treaty yet. The provisions are to be negotiated this October. herea re some of the provisions to be discussed: It would ensure that no transfer is permitted if there is substantial risk that it is likely to: be used in serious violations of international human rights or humanitarian law, or acts of genocide or crimes against humanity; facilitate terrorist attacks, a pattern of gender based violence, violent crime or organised crime; violate UN Charter obligations, including UN arms embargoes; be diverted from its stated recipient; adversely affect regional security; or seriously impair poverty reduction or socioeconomic development. Loopholes would be minimized. It would include: all weaponsincluding all military, security and police arms, related equipment and ammunition, components, expertise, and production equipment; all types of transferincluding import, export, re-export, temporary transfer and transhipment, in the state sanctioned and commercial trade, plus transfers of technology, loans, gifts and aid; and all transactionsincluding those by dealers and brokers, and those providing technical assistance, training, transport, storage, finance and security. It must be workable and enforceable. It must: provide guidelines for the treatys full, clear implementation; ensure transparencyincluding full annual reports of national arms transfers; have an effective mechanism to monitor compliance; ensure accountabilitywith provisions for adjudication, dispute settlement and sanctions; include a comprehensive framework for international cooperation and assistance. ---------------------- What's wrong with these provisions? If it prevents Koney from killing a few more hundred innocents why not? If it makes it more expensive for the Taliban to get RPG's why not? What is wrong with ;having greater restrictions on the illegal trade in small arms? Why should the Mexican cartels get cheap firearms? Or is the opposition really the result of vested interests who want to make a "killing" in the field. The question is Tim why are you against this treaty? Do you like the idea of making it easier for terrorists like the Taliban to get firearms? Seriously how many children have to sacrificed on your altar to the 2nd Amendment? On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:23 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It's not just this, I'm really upset right now about the UN Small Arms > Treaty. > > Just, so much, too much. > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Dude, I agree that the Justice Dept lackey was way out of line and > > deserves a smack down (presuming that what was quoted actually > > happened of course). But armed insurrection over that sort of shit? > > > > I'm really unhappy about the DOJ but, honestly, I'd say that overall > > things are better now than they were 8 years ago. Not hugely better. > > In some places probably worse. But I remember Mr. Ashcroft and > > Operation Pipe Dreams that took out a dude that I knew, that worked > > across the street from me. SWAT team busting in at 6 a.m. at his > > house, holding him, his wife and kids at the gun point while they were > > sleeping. Why? He sold glass pipes. Didn't find any pot at his house > > even. They just decided one day that selling glass pipes was illegal > > and they would make an example of this dude because he sold nice > > pieces over the Internet. > > > > Things need to get fixed. But there are people in positions of power > > who are trying to get things sorted. They need genuine support and > > encouragement. Not people threatening insurrection. That crap just > > plays to the law and order crowd who want to say "they are all a bunch > > of whack jobs, shut them down!". > > > > Judah > > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:08 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > DOJ is out of control. > > > > > > It's about time we water the tree of libert. > > > On Jul 10, 2012 9:03 PM, "Jerry Barnes" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> 'DOJ practice' slammed by politicos, > > >> group< > > >> > > http://www.iberianet.com/news/doj-practice-slammed-by-politicos-group/article_32a8d028-c8b7-11e1-aa3d-0019bb2963f4.html > > >> > > > >> > > >> A U.S. senator, a U.S. representative and a nonprofit First Amendment > > >> advocacy group each have sent a letter of complaint to the U.S. > > Department > > >> of Justice after one of its attorneys demanded she not be quoted or > > >> recorded by a Daily Iberian reporter at a public meeting. Further they > > >> express concern over the veiled threat the attorney used. > > >> > > >> The complaint letters describe senior trial attorney Rachel Hranitzkys > > >> behavior at a June 12 public meeting held inside New Iberias City > > Council > > >> chambers. > > >> > > >> Before the meeting started, Hranitzky asked if there were any media > > present > > >> and told the Daily Iberian reporter he couldnt quote or record her. > > >> > > >> You can quote those who speak, but you cant quote me, Hranitzky said, > > >> according to a story that ran in The Daily Iberian June 13. > > >> > > >> When the reporter questioned her about the law that allowed such an > > >> assertion to be made, Hranitzky said the Department of Justice has > > special > > >> rules on how its attorneys can be quoted. But she cited no law or code > > that > > >> allowed for her demand. > > >> The Daily Iberian sent a complaint letter to the Justice Department on > > June > > >> 15 about Hranitzkys actions. It was signed that it was received by the > > >> department on June 21. As of Saturday, the newspaper had received no > > >> response. > > >> > > >> > > >> J > > >> > > >> - > > >> > > >> Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad > > reputation. > > >> - Henry Kissinger > > >> > > >> Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the > > tunnel, > > >> go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Qu > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:352611 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
