Ok. See I'm not going to divide murders by number anymore than I would by motivation (hate crimes are stupid, murder is murder, motivation doesn't make a crime worse).
In the end I feel it all boils down to this: Liberty and freedom and personal responsibility are not safe things. They are not for the weak of heart. They require participation and vigilance. We only have our education system, our representatives, and yes most importantly ourselves to blame for the situation we find ourselves in today. Not just this shooting, it is only a symptom of the disease rotting our core. On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Eric Roberts < [email protected]> wrote: > > You also realize that every mass shooting was committed with legal > weapons...not illegal ones? The folks that do this mass shootings are not > normally criminal types, so they don't have access to the criminal networks > and knowledge of where to get illegal weapons, who to trust...who will > trust > them...etc... > > ------------------------------------ > Three Ravens Consulting > Eric Roberts > Owner/Developer > [email protected] > tel: 630-486-5255 > fax: 630-310-8531 > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > ------------------------------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: LRS Scout [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 6:52 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: where do they get these loonies > > > I was born in NY, lived their most of my life other than when my Dad was > contracting. The first rifle and pistol I ever purchased were when I was > on > Long Island. yes. You can purchase firearms. Rifles are no big deal no > waiting limit. Pistols are something entirely different. You have to get > a > long and serious background check, not just the minimum NICS check you get > in most other states. Additionally the licenses for pistols cost almost as > much as the guns themselves. > > Now if you're talking about the illegal sale of guns, well guess what, > that's already illegal and that didn't stop this did it? > > I wold be interested to know what the status of this weapon was. > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Larry C. Lyons > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > NOt really, New York itself, but the surrounding and nearby states > > have much more lenient firearms control laws. So its not all that > > difficult for someone to drive 4 hours to Virginia, buy several > > handguns (remember that the 1 handgun a month law has been repealed), > > and then sell them for quite the profit back in New York. > > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:44 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > That's the question though isn't it? > > > > > > Is it expected? Is this what they want? I'm not saying caused it > > > directly, but look, shrinks and sociologists can predict individual > > > and group behavior too a scary level these days. Bear with me here, > > > and > > Larry > > > I know you can rant at me about it, but just consider it. Allow > > > things like this to happen. Provoke them indirectly through the > > > economy and new legislation. Use the event to inact even more > > > restrictive legislation, until you get to the point where you can > > > declare martial law or call in > > the > > > U.N. Look to history. How did Vietnam start? Spanish American War? > > > Operation Northwoods? Hell former CJCS Gen Shelton wrote that one > > > of the Bush administration (he wouldn't say who) suggested using a > > > low and slow flying fighter or bomber of Iraq outside the no-fly > > > zone, instigating an attack. There is a lot of evidence that the > > > government while not the instigators of 9/11 may have simply allowed > > > it to happen so the neo-con assholes could pursue their Middle East > > > agenda. Look at the case of > > Sibel > > > Edmonds. > > > > > > I don't think all is as it seems. > > > > > > Also, NY is not in anyway a state where it is easy to purchase a > > > legal handgun. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Larry C. Lyons > > ><[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> easy availability of firearms, high stress, lots of propaganda from > > >> all sides, its almost expected. > > >> > > >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/3-or-4 > > -wounded-in-shooting-near-empire-state-building/1#.UDeP2aOQlGl > > >> > > > >> > Jesus, I know Bloomberg is gonna flip over this. > > >> > > > >> > Not gonna be good for gun owners in NY, not that NY has ever been > > good to > > >> > gun owners. > > >> > > > >> > I just wonder, why is this happening so much right now? > > >> > > > >> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:49 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> That's some scary and reasonably well documented stuff. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website > > Solutions > > >> < > > >> >> [email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Larry C. Lyons < > > [email protected] > > >> >>> >wrote: > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > I was basing that on the recent DHS report that suggested > > >> >>> > that > > right > > >> >>> > wing groups were a significant threat. And the reight wing in > > >> congress > > >> >>> > tried to suppress it. Given what's happened recently the > > >> >>> > report > > may > > >> be > > >> >>> > quite accurate. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> They didn't add Agenda 21 to that report unfortunately. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21 > > >> >>> > > >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us8Yv4YLz9k > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:354102 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
