Yes...Sam...it forces states to recognize marriages. -----Original Message----- From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 3:48 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: BITTER SCALIA LEAVES U.S.
The full faith and credit clause was never used to force a state to recognize a marriage it did not wish to recognize . On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Eric Roberts < [email protected]> wrote: > > The Fair Faith and Credit clause address that when it says that a > legally performed marriage in one state must be recognized in all of > the other states. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:55 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: BITTER SCALIA LEAVES U.S. > > > The Fourteenth Amendment says nothing of marriage. It does however > address discrimination. What you are looking for is a new definition of marriage. > If gays were prevented form having equal rights, as they do since > civil unions aren't equivalent to marriage, than there is a series > miscarriage of justice. This, I'm sure, everyone agrees with. That > would mean they are not bigots. The few that are against gays forming > a civil union should be the only people addressed by Kennedy as being > bigots. It really isn't any harder than that. > > . > > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Larry C. Lyons > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > what part of > > *Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to > > our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom > > on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied > > in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the > > principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is > > surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due > > process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom > > of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. > > Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person > > of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed > > by the State.* > > > > Don't you understand? > > > > Really Sam quit while you're behind in this case. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It does not. It's a persons opinion as applied to race. The right > > > he > > refers > > > to is the long established traditional marriage between a man and > > > a > > woman. > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Larry C. Lyons > > > <[email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Virginia vs Loving, 1967 fully established marriage as a basic > > > > civil > > > right. > > > > try again. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you do agree with the statement that if you don't support > > > > > gay > > > marriage > > > > > you hate gays. That's just bizarre. Most of my gay friends > > > > > don't > > give a > > > > > rats ass about gay marriage and they don't hate gays. Only the > > > > > ones > > > that > > > > > hate hero-sexuals do. In my experience. > > > > > > > > > > Marriage isn't a constitutional right but somehow, now, gay > > > > > marriage > > > is? > > > > > And the way they did that was to label all opposed as haters? > > > > > A sad > > day > > > > > indeed. > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok then, I have a serious question (or series of questions): > > > > > > > > > > > > For what other reason, besides bigotry, would someone oppose > > > > > > gay > > > > > marriage? > > > > > > What possible argument could anyone have to oppose gay > > > > > > marriage > > that > > > > > would > > > > > > not contain the sense that for some reason a "straight > > > > > > marriage" is superior to a "gay marriage"? > > > > > > > > > > > > And if you believe gay marriage is inferior, or harmful, > > > > > > purely > > > because > > > > > of > > > > > > the participants sexual orientation.....then how are you NOT > > > > > > being > > > > > bigoted > > > > > > against gays???? > > > > > > > > > > > > And as a side bar...why does someone who DOES support gay > > > > > > marriage > > > > (you), > > > > > > feel such an obligation to prop up those who oppose it??? > > > > > > You don't > > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > protect conservatives from me....if they aren't bigoted, I > > > > > > won't > > > attack > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Sam <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calling someone a bigot because of lack of understand of > > > > > > > the > > facts > > > is > > > > > > never > > > > > > > funny. It's promoting hate to paint someone with a > > > > > > > legitimate > > legal > > > > > > > position as a hater. The only way that can be even a > > > > > > > little funny > > > is > > > > > if > > > > > > > you truly believed he hates gays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:21 PM, GMoney > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luckily I don't have that attitude, so you have misread > > > > > > > > me > > (once > > > > > > again). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just asking a question. Satire always takes a > > > > > > > > person's > > > views, > > > > > > good > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > bad, and exaggerates them. YOu call it hate because it's > > > > > > > > making > > > fun > > > > > of > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > position you agree with. I call it sort-of funny...but > > > > > > > > not all > > > that > > > > > > > > original. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Sam > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Really? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you must also believe that Scalia and everyone else > > > > > > > > > that > > > > didn't > > > > > > > agree > > > > > > > > > with this legal decision hates gays. You really need > > > > > > > > > to get > > > past > > > > > the > > > > > > > > "agree > > > > > > > > > with me or you're a bigot" attitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just saying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:50 PM, GMoney > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's hateful about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Sam > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignorant hate disguised as humor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Cameron Childress > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/03/bitter- > > sc > > alia-leaves-us.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:365057 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
