On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > What the hell are you talking about? Seriously. What are you talking > about? > > > > According to this - > > > https://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq/how-much-has-global-temperature-risen-last-100-years > > - it has gone up about 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit between 1880 and 2012. Is > > that more than 'a bit'? I don't really know, but a lot of people who know > > more about climate science than I do seem to think it is. > > > > Over the last 500 years temperatures have fluctuated up and down > within a range of 2C > That's a bit and it's normal >
I has fluctuated over the last 500 years, but has been trending higher. > > > > Have you even looked at data about this - and I mean anything before the > > '80's'. As far as I can tell, the data pretty much shows that the average > > temperature is higher now than it was when we started keeping records. Do > > you dispute that? If so, please feel free to supply data that shows this > is > > not the case. > > You're taking a snapshot of data again yet you claim change takes > hundreds of years.Yes the temperature is likely higher now than it was > in the 1880's. That doesn't mean it's warmer than the medieval warming > period, or many other cycles in history. > No, you are talking about a snapshot of data, specifically, 'the last decade' you tend to go on about. I am talking about the current warming trend that has been going on for thousands of years. A little old, but this talks about the trending over hundreds of thousands of years, note that the right and side is showing a trend of rising temperatures for the last 25,000 years or so - http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/ > > > I used to think that you were skeptical that humans were the cause (or > even > > contributed to) these climate changes now it seems you are denying that > the > > climate has changed at all. > > Climate always changes, it's about time you realized that. I'm saying > the science isn't settled and there's no consensus. > I never said or implied that climate is not always changing. The science that climate is changing is settled. And there is a consensus that it is changing. No matter how many times you say there is no consensus, there is. I also do not think it is outside the realm of possibility that humans have hastened the change. > > > I love how climate science deniers always use the ' is it 'warming' > > 'change' or 'disruption'? Until you can agree on a name for it, I won;t > > listen' argument. > > You don't get it. They have to change the name because the silly facts > force them to. > And why is it bad that the facts have changed? I even admitted that the facts SHOULD change given increases in technology and actual events that are happening. If the original models of the consequences proved in accurate, that does not mean that the change is not happening. > > > Once again, showing that the scientific method and how it > > is used seems to be lost on you. > > What scientific method are you using to back up your claim? You don't > have one, you're reading from DNC TPM. > You know the one where you test a theory and if the results don't match the theory, you take what you learned and adapt the theory (or reject it outright). > > > I would expect our knowledge of the > > consequences of the rising average temperature to change over time as we > > get better technology to model the events, and, when we actually get data > > when stuff happens. Just because a theory of the consequences of climate > > change did not pan out, does not mean the climate change is not > happening. > > When every test fails it's time to create one that works, not hide the > facts and claim a consensus. > As opposed to saying, 'nothing to see here. Every thing is fine. Carry on.' I tend to look at it like Gmoney seems to (and forgive me, G, if I am putting words in your mouth). I am not sure the worst possible consequences will be seen in our lifetime, or maybe even my children's lifetime. But, if there is a chance we can start to make a difference now, doesn't it make sense to try? What is the worst thing that can happen? The air we all breathe has less pollutants in it? the water we drink is naturally cleaner? I am OK with those consequences..even if shows that man had nothing to do with the climate change. > > . > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:370768 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
