On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Maureen wrote:

> I guess this means the attack cadre has won the battle for the list.
> Too bad, because it has been fun sharing ideas and opinions over the
> years
>

Unfortunately, I think that the few unreasonable and borderline abusive
people on this list have scared away a great many people over the years.
The ones of us who are left either have very thick skins or ignore those
threads.

I find it useful to remember that among the people who remain here, I agree
with many of them on many things. The people I have the most opposite view
of (Sam, Rick) are so indoctrinated and invested into their view of the
world that no amount of discussion will change their mind. These are people
who may have a very hard time getting along with other people in real life
as well.

It's easy to feel like you have to defend sanity, logic, and the good in
the world and try to convince them to change their minds. But you are just
talking to a brick wall. It's a waste of time. They have made up their
minds and their mission here is only to agitate and troll you. They are not
attempting to have an intellectual productive conversation. It's easiest
just to ignore them, and/or be amused by them.

Likewise, remember that none of us are speaking in a forum of
impressionable young minds here. They are not influencing or harming anyone
with their viewpoints but themselves. They are not swaying anyone's
opinions. Don't feel like you need to defend anyone. None of us are fooled
if their statements go unchallenged, we all see them for who they are.

No matter how much he tries, Sam is not convincing anyone that Climate
Change is the largest conspiracy ever known to man, and Rick is not
convincing anyone that beating your spouse is okay "if she deserved it".

I know that Rick's posts may feel very personal to you, especially since it
sounds like you have been a victim of domestic abuse before. I imagine that
they feel like (and may actually be, psychologically speaking) actual
abusive attacks, especially with the recent devolution into name calling
and disrespectful comments.

I don't advocate violence unless there is a real reason for it, even
against Rick. This is a silly comparison I know, but I can't help but be
reminded of the third episode of The Walking Dead, an episode called "Tell
it to the Frogs" where Carol is being abused by her husband and Shane jumps
in to defend her, beating Ed within an inch of his life for his abuse.

I know you are strong and capable of defending yourself, it's just a scene
that I think of when I imagine that like Ed in the show, what a miserable
person Rick must be like in his real life, and how this group would jump
into action if we were all standing around in person and he felt the sudden
need to beat ANY person "because they asked for it". Especially a woman.

Anyway, those are my random thoughts. I do hope you do continue to lurk and
contribute at times.

-Cameron

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