You're thinking like a Zoroastrian Michael. There is at least a third
choice:

The Torah isn't true, neither the Jews nor the Muslims have a "claim" on the
land, but they are both genetically human and further distinctions are moot;
they should live happily together.

Kevin Graeme

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:42 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel
>
>
> You are aware that your comparing events of 3000 years ago with events of
> today. Be that as it may, it falls under a very simple formula:
> The Torah is true, God gave the land of Israel to the Jews and that's that
> The Torah is false, God didn't give the land or does not exist.
> In the first case, the land belongs to the Jews because the owner of all
> existence gave it to them. If the second case is true, then
> neither the Jews
> nor the Muslims have any claim to the land and both should leave.
>
> > Judith Dinowitz wrote:
> > > They were allowed to relocate, or to renounce idolatry and accept God.
> >
> > That sounds a lot like "Accept Communism or go live in Africa" to me. I
> > wonder how the world would have looked if that had happened in Europe in
> > the 70-ties.
> >
> >
> > > Furthermore, they were warned before Israel attacked their cities. You
> can't say that the Arabs give warning that they're going to blow up busses
> or shoot up cars.
> >
> > Israel has been warned of Arab attacks since before it was founded.
> > Maybe not as specific as we would all like, but it has been warned.
> >
> > Jochem
> >
> >
> 
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