Where did i say Judaism and Israel arent' related?  Nowhere.  I said that
Judaism is more than a religion.

I want to point out that very orthodox Judith totally understands my secular
judaism.  Isn't that nice!!  Makes me warm and fuzzy.

I believe that the secular movement in the us  that i grew up in is a
product of the holocaust - i was brought up to be proudly jewish and no
religion.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel


> She said to HER it's all about cultural significance. And that cultural
significance is probably connected to the Holocaust and the idea of Israel
as a refuge from anti-Semitism -- this is our land, where no Jew can be
turned away.
>
> You have no idea how strong a force that is in Jewish culture. I grew up
in the shadow of the Holocaust (most Jews still do) -- my entire family on
my grandmother's side was wiped out, and my grandmother survived only
because she came here a few years before the war.
>
> Judith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pat O" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Israel/Arab Conflict 101: The history of Israel
>
>
> > >Nothing. I don't believe the bible is of any importance and still think
> > >that Israel holds great cultural significance for my people and also
> > >provides jews with a much needed sanctuary from anti-semitism.
> > What ?.................u r kidding i hope....so Israel the promised land
for the Jews, is all about cultural significance ? how can u believe that
Israel and Judaism are not related...Israel is born and grown on the Jewish
faith......
>
>
> 
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