That analogy hurts the republicans, because if I decided that instead of 
the house payment (debt), I would give the surplus to my wife and kids, 
we wouldn't have a house for very much longer.  

Debt is necessary sometimes, but you also have to have a means to an end.

Marlon

>>
>>Uh, no.  Do you have a house?  Did you get a mortgage on it?  Do
>>you think you could have paid it with cash?
>>
>>Debt is debt.  It's what you do with it that matters.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Since you apparently don't know much about debt: DEBT IS BAD.
>>>All the college kids who get crazy debt and some who kill
>>>themselves. Debts
>>>not good you wind up paying more
>>>on your interest and never get to paying down the debt. So more
>>>and more of
>>>your money has to keep going to interest. Eventually you get to
>>>the point
>>>where MY tax dollars are going to pay off interest where we have
>>>so much
>>>debt that we cant get anyone to buy our bonds or invest with us. A
>>>pointwhere the govt wont have anymore money to be able to raise
>>>and where we cant
>>>just keep digging a bigger whole. Its not being "bleeding heart"
>>>its being
>>>smart, republicans should know this they are the "money people" lol.
>>>Not so smart if you ask me.
>>>
>>>But who cares we'll all be dead and gone by that time f$$k the
>>>kids and the
>>>next generation. Lets stick them with it.
>>>So they can come to our graves and spit on them and say thanks for
>>>everything dad!
>>>:)
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Andy Ousterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:11 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Hillary still isn't over it!
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>So what you are saying is the republicans pander to the rich, while
>>>>democrats uphold the values of the middle class.  They speak
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>straight,tell
>>>      
>>>
>>>>it like it is blah blah blah.  Another clear cut case of good
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>versus bad,
>>>      
>>>
>>>>impure versus pure motives.  Anyone who truly believes this is
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>just one
>>>step
>>>      
>>>
>>>>away from drinking poisoned cool-aid because some cult figure
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>says so.
>>>      
>>>
>>>>The real issue over taxes has little to do with rich and poor
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>but about
>>>size
>>>      
>>>
>>>>of government.  Reagan's view that is supported by many
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>republicans is
>>>that
>>>      
>>>
>>>>the government is very inefficient at distributing the wealth.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>And, they
>>>      
>>>
>>>>believed that their representatives in government are not well
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>known for
>>>      
>>>
>>>>making responsible decisions about how to spend, only about how
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>to get
>>>      
>>>
>>>>re-elected.  So returning money to states or god forbid back to
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>those who
>>>      
>>>
>>>>earned it so that they can afford to make more jobs which drives
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>up pay,
>>>is
>>>      
>>>
>>>>better for all.  It is about motivation and creation of wealth that
>>>>(bleeding hearts, if you are still reading, be advised that you
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>might get
>>>      
>>>
>>>>sick to your stomach with the following statement) lifts
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>everyone up on
>>>the
>>>      
>>>
>>>>rising tide.
>>>>
>>>>The democrats view is that government is the best party to spend
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>the money
>>>      
>>>
>>>>and generally speaker, more is better.  The rich and wealthy if
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>left to
>>>      
>>>
>>>>their own devices will beat the poor down. History is full of
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>cases of
>>>this,
>>>      
>>>
>>>>robber baron after robber baron.  Most of us have read the books.
>>>>
>>>>So the question is more like one of balance versus name calling
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>and trying
>>>      
>>>
>>>>to create black and white out of gray.  I mean, what's up with
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>"Pro-Life"
>>>      
>>>
>>>>versus "Pro-Choice"?  Doesn't this really just muck up what is
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>already a
>>>      
>>>
>>>>very complicated issue of personal responsibility, controlling
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>one's body
>>>      
>>>
>>>>functions, science (when does life begin?)and religious/moral
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>beliefs(is> abortion and birth control the same thing?)?
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Politicians by definition pander to the rich, who fund them,
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>whitewash,> promise then fail, etc to the middle class and poor,
>>>and overall avoid all
>>>      
>>>
>>>>responsibility for the bad and take complete credit of the good.
>>>>
>>>>Rant done.  Have a nice week.
>>>>
>>>>Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:howie@;coolfusion.com]
>>>>Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:20 AM
>>>>To: CF-Community
>>>>Subject: Re: Hillary still isn't over it!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Of course he panders to the rich...same as Reagan.  Pander to
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>the rich and
>>>      
>>>
>>>>whitewash the middle class.
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:13 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: Hillary still isn't over it!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Hmm..you think Bush pandered to the rich who would be the ones
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>financing> > his next campaign as a cheap ploy for re-election??
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>-Gel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>
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