historical crime rates are about at the same level as wishful thinking. A lot were simply not reported. Moreover definitions of crimes have changed. Its been only been since the 30's that any remotely reliable crime statistics have been collected.
larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: William Wheatley [mailto:bill@;ediets.com] > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:34 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: 40 Reasons For Gun Control > > > lol its satire ;) Calm down don't get so fired up lol. > > But just to think for a second we had a shiznit load of guns > back in the > 40's- 70's hell even since the countries founding, show me > some stats why > we didn't have such a crime rate back then. Was it school > that was better?? > was it just a fact we have more degenerates in society today? > Is it drugs? > LOL I don't know what it is but I know what its not and its > not guns that > have caused all this crime we have now adays. Its the way the world is > today, some dude can get messed up on drugs and go crazy with > or without > guns. But hell I mean come on?? I used to back that getting > rid of the guns > things until I was reading that's what Hitler did register > every fire arm to > remove it from the public. Criminals will commit crime. I > think our poor > school system and rampant drug use might have some reason why > we have people > being criminals. Removing guns from everyone wont stop the > criminals from > being criminals. > > Hehe I think mikey needs to make a list cfargue@houseoffusion for us > debating types. > > Could have Kevin Schmidt and Matt L. on one side and the rest > of us on the > other lol > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:59 PM > Subject: RE: 40 Reasons For Gun Control > > > > Answers Inline. > > > > larry > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: William Wheatley [mailto:bill@;ediets.com] > > > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:43 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: 40 Reasons For Gun Control > > > > > > > > > 40 Reasons For Gun Control > > > > > > > > > 40 Reasons For Gun Control > > > 1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago > > > cops need guns. > > > > > > 2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due > > > to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of > > > 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control. > > > > > > It works when the surrounding juristidictions had similar > gun control > > legislation. When tracing is done, according to Justic > Department stats, > the > > firearms seized in DC typically come from Virginia, North > Carolina and > other > > states with very loose gun control laws. Its really easy to > drive a few > > hours down I-95 and buy firearms at a gunstore in a state > with very loose > > gun laws. You then drive back to DC and can sell the > weapons at 3 or 4 > times > > your cost. > > > > > > > > 3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control > > > but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun > > > control are "just statistics." > > > > Bad example, as someone with a lot of graduate stats > courses under my > belt, > > you're going to have to give me some citations here. > > > > > > 4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which > > > went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in > > > violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991. > > > > An interesting claim, did you control for the effects of a changing > economy > > or other conditions that can have a significant affect. > Until you do so or > > cite a body of peer reviewd research that supports your > pioint, I think > your > > criticism is invalid. > > > > The remaining pieces of pro gun propaganistic tripe I'll > refrain from > > commenting. Its heated rhetoric, not concusions based on > legit research > and > > data. > > > > > > Consider the homicide rate of Canada. It isn't even one > tenth that of the > > US. The two country have similar economies, and cultures, > are equally > > diverse. One of the chief differences between the two > countries is the > very > > strict gun control legislation in Canada. If gun control > legislation did > not > > work, then why is Canada's homicide rate > disproporationately smaller than > > the US's. > > > > To quote from a recent Ministry of Justice Canada report: > > -- > > Firearms and Violent Crime > > > > Since 1975, the homicide and firearm homicide rates have declined in > Canada, > > with no simple explanation for the observed decrease. > Different strategies > > are required to prevent homicides in the home as opposed to > homicides in > the > > streets. The growing literature on the subject makes it > clear that spousal > > homicide is rarely a spontaneous single event, and is more > generally the > end > > of a cycle of violence that takes place in the home. A better > understanding > > of how violence is seen to escalate may lead to more > effective prevention > > strategies. > > > > In 1996, of the 31,242 robberies reported in Canada, 21.3 > percent involved > a > > firearm. While the frequency of robberies has increased > over the last 20 > > years, the percentage involving a firearm has decreased. > Most robberies > are > > committed in large urban areas. Research on offenders' > decision-making > > processes, in relation to various kinds of robbery and > assault incidents, > is > > still at a very early stage in Canada. > > > > Canada's experience with youth violence, especially firearm > violence, is > > significantly different from that of the United States. > Research indicates > > that differential access to firearms, especially handguns, > by youth in the > > two countries appears to be the main factor explaining the > difference in > the > > levels of youth violence. More comprehensive comparative > research may > yield > > important findings. > > -- > > http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/ps/rs/rep/wd98-4a-e.html > > > > In 1995 there were two homicides by firearms in Winnipeg (see > > http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/ps/rs/rep/wd97-1a-e.html), > Manitoba Canada, > a > > city in the middle of Canada. Its population is about > 600,000 or so. Now > > compare those fire arm related homicide rates to the > nearest comparible > city > > in the US midwest: Minneapolis where in 1995 there were 97 > firearm related > > homicides (see > http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org/pubs/gun_violence/profile07.html). > > > > > > An interesting side note, there is some indication, (I'll > have to dig up > the > > article from the site) that there is a statically significant, but > somewhat > > small correlation between distance to the Canadian/US > border and firearm > > related homicide rates. In other words the closer you are > to the border, > > your chances of getting killed by a firearm are somewhat increased. > Probably > > the correlation means that its easier getting a firearm in > cities and > towns > > near the Canadian / US border than in places that are not > near the border. > > > > Generally the data suggests that effective gun control > legislation works. > In > > Canada it was done on a national level. This prevents most > gun trafficing > > between juristdictions. While not discussed, the data from > the Canadian > > Ministry of Justice site also showed a steady decrease > since 1975 when > > Canada's national gun control legislation was enacted. > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > 5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go > > > on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a > > > gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid. > > > > > > 6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals. > > > > > > > > 7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven > > > spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you. > > > > > > 8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman > > > with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet. > > > > > > 9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up > > > no defense -- give them what they want, or run" (Handgun > > > Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People > > > Do, 1981, p.125). > > > > > > 10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert > > > advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent > > > treatises on heart surgery. > > > > > > 11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer > > > seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon > > > for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive > > > problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise. > > > > > > 12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the > > > National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917. > > > > > > 13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on > > > federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, > > > buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal > > > law, is a "state" militia. > > > > > > 14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to > > > assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," > > > "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed > > > to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers > > > not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, > > > and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right > > > of the people to keep and bear arm" refers to the state. > > > > > > 15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But > > > we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, > > > 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution. > > > > > > 16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! > > > Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them. > > > > > > 17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they > > > aren't "military weapons", but private citizens shouldn't > > > have "assault rifles", because they are military weapons. > > > > > > 18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger > > > printing, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily > > > available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. > > > In the 1940's, 1950's and1960's, anyone could buy guns at > > > hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety > > > stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no > > > fingerprints, no government forms and there were no > school shootings. > > > > > > 19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about > > > kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's > > > attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social > > > activity. > > > > > > 20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to > > > use them properly, and so simple to use that they make > murder easy. > > > > > > 21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for > > > the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an > > > automobile that only has 20. > > > > > > 22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a > > > woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun > > > makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on > their fears." > > > > > > 23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into > > > slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is > > > removed. > > > > > > 24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass > > > killings at gun shows. > > > > > > 25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just > > > like a majority of the population supported owning slaves. > > > > > > 26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered > > > to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon." > > > > > > 27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws > > > against guns, which most people will abide by because they > > > can be trusted. > > > > > > 28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be > > > questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the > > > Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is > > > not really protected by the Bill of Rights. > > > > > > 29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, > > > computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies > > > bare hands. > > > > > > 30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends > > > certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, > > > because it defends other parts of the Constitution. > > > > > > 31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is > > > a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a > > > movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is > > > an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the > > > UN arms control summit. > > > > > > 32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why > > > they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do > > > "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need > > > less ammunition. > > > > > > 33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other > > > inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have > > > access to guns too. > > > > > > 34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over > > > hand guns that private citizens can never hope to obtain. > > > > > > 35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection > > > because the police are there to protect them even though the > > > Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their > > > protection. > > > > > > 36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal > > > protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound > > > administrators who work in a building filled with cops, > need a gun. > > > > > > 37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill > > > large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. > You do not. > > > > > > 38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give > > > Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the > > > Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from > > > Smith & Wesson, that's good. > > > > > > 39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a > > > gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police > > > officers with one on their duty weapon. > > > > > > 40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of > > > the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands. > > > > > > Bill Wheatley > > > Senior Database Developer > > > Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer > > > EDIETS.COM > > > 954.360.9022 X159 > > > ICQ 417645 > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
