Hey, I said they were funny!

As for the serious stalker problems, needing to contact authorities like the
police isn't really a sad indication of our social system, which I think you
were kinda getting at, so much as a sad indication of what amounts to a
mental disorder on the part of the stalker.

I have a little personal experience with this, so that's just why it tweaked
my attention. But the original suggestions were a bit funny. Like getting
back at an annoying neighbor by ordering a delivery of 5 yards of dirt to
their address and paying for it in advance.

-Kevin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 1:17 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Yahoo Groups
>
>
> Take it or leave it, these are only ideas. Whether they are good or bad
> ideas really does depend upon what the listener does with them and the
> outcome in that person's situation.
>
> I suppose contacting the police could be useful, but isn't it sad to think
> we have no solution to privacy problems without the help of the 'proper
> authorities' (be they sysadmins, police, etc)? Isn't it even
> sadder to think
> that, in many circumstances, there is nothing they can do (and
> may not even
> acknowledge a real problem exists)? Personally, I like dealing with my own
> problems and ask for help when it's clear I will be in over my head.
>
> Anyone who's read Kevin Mitnick's book already knows the power you hold in
> overcoming obstacles through social engineering. Personally, I am
> constantly
> surprised at what people will believe, especially ones who are giving you
> their undivided attention. (For that matter, I am equally shocked by what
> they will deny and ignore in order to justify their own view of
> the world or
> protect their interests.)
>
> I'm not really suggesting anyone take a specific course of action, just
> thinking out loud about applications of security strategy applied to
> non-technical areas of our lives... Really, I would not do (and would not
> suggest anyone does) any of these things if I/he/she felt the action was
> uncalled for or dangerous in the situation.
>
> The important thing is that the person goes away. The way in which this
> happens, barring violence, destruction of property, or emotional
> damage, is
> secondary to achieving that goal.
>
> M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:32 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Yahoo Groups
>
>
> While funny, these are exceptionally bad suggestions for dealing with real
> stalkers.
>
> Stalkers feed off of any interaction with the victim. Negative interaction
> works to fuel the situation just as much as positive interaction.
>
> The only good way of that I know to deal with it is to resort to a
> third-party authority. It is best if that is the police because then there
> is an official legal record. Calling domain owners and such may be small
> steps, but they lack in significant capabilities.
>
> -Kevin
>
> 
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