As I am findoing out, there are 2 sides to every story. This friend was
allegedly stealing content from other people's site and calling it her
own among other deceptive idea snatching. So this person is trying to
get back at her for all the wrong she has allegedly done.

Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer 
The Children's Medical Center 
One Children's Plaza 
Dayton, OH 45404 
937-641-4293 
http://www.childrensdayton.org

 
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/19/2002 3:15:50 PM >>>
Hey, I said they were funny!

As for the serious stalker problems, needing to contact authorities
like the
police isn't really a sad indication of our social system, which I
think you
were kinda getting at, so much as a sad indication of what amounts to
a
mental disorder on the part of the stalker.

I have a little personal experience with this, so that's just why it
tweaked
my attention. But the original suggestions were a bit funny. Like
getting
back at an annoying neighbor by ordering a delivery of 5 yards of dirt
to
their address and paying for it in advance.

-Kevin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 1:17 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Yahoo Groups
>
>
> Take it or leave it, these are only ideas. Whether they are good or
bad
> ideas really does depend upon what the listener does with them and
the
> outcome in that person's situation.
>
> I suppose contacting the police could be useful, but isn't it sad to
think
> we have no solution to privacy problems without the help of the
'proper
> authorities' (be they sysadmins, police, etc)? Isn't it even
> sadder to think
> that, in many circumstances, there is nothing they can do (and
> may not even
> acknowledge a real problem exists)? Personally, I like dealing with
my own
> problems and ask for help when it's clear I will be in over my head.
>
> Anyone who's read Kevin Mitnick's book already knows the power you
hold in
> overcoming obstacles through social engineering. Personally, I am
> constantly
> surprised at what people will believe, especially ones who are giving
you
> their undivided attention. (For that matter, I am equally shocked by
what
> they will deny and ignore in order to justify their own view of
> the world or
> protect their interests.)
>
> I'm not really suggesting anyone take a specific course of action,
just
> thinking out loud about applications of security strategy applied to
> non-technical areas of our lives... Really, I would not do (and would
not
> suggest anyone does) any of these things if I/he/she felt the action
was
> uncalled for or dangerous in the situation.
>
> The important thing is that the person goes away. The way in which
this
> happens, barring violence, destruction of property, or emotional
> damage, is
> secondary to achieving that goal.
>
> M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:32 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Yahoo Groups
>
>
> While funny, these are exceptionally bad suggestions for dealing with
real
> stalkers.
>
> Stalkers feed off of any interaction with the victim. Negative
interaction
> works to fuel the situation just as much as positive interaction.
>
> The only good way of that I know to deal with it is to resort to a
> third-party authority. It is best if that is the police because then
there
> is an official legal record. Calling domain owners and such may be
small
> steps, but they lack in significant capabilities.
>
> -Kevin
>
> 

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