>
> But on that topic, I think that instead of going in for vengeance, he
> should have gone into Afghanistan for the Taliban's  Human rights
> violations.

So, once again we are the world's police?  I personally don't think we
should go around and
try to fix every injustice in the world with our military.  If we have a
reason to be there, IE national security, then we should be there.


>
> I am still trying to figure out why he is gearing up for a Vietnam
> style confrontation with Iraq, except that Hussein went after Daddy.
> Any confrontation with Iraq is a complete distraction from the war on
> terrorism.

He's obviously a problem.  Even Hans Blix says he is not be forthright.
We're feeding the
UN our intelligence and letting the inspectors do their job.  If, and when
they find the shit that is supposedly missing and find evidence of a nuclear
weapons program, then we cream him, simple.



Moreover that has been no evidence that Iraq has supported
> or supplied any terrorist group anything resembling biological or
> chemical warfare agents. for instance the recent reports of Iraq
> supplying groups linked to Al Quaeda with nerve gas turned out to be
> a propaganda attempt by the Bush White House. The Washington Post's
> ombudsman had a very good piece detailing how the Post got conned by
> administration aides
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20351-2002Dec20.html.
> another example is Rumsfeld's setting up a special office to find
> evidence (real or manufactured) of links between the Iraq
> dictatorship. This despite the fact that the DIA, CIA and allied
> intelligence agencies have not found anything so far. Even the
> vaunted meeting between Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi embassy official
> in the Czech Republic a year before Sept 11/2001 has turned out to be
> false.
>

Like I said lets wait and see what the UN says.  I personally am a little
more worried about the North Koreans, but there should be a good
international backing to keep them in check.


> One thing I have also never understood is how the Republicans can
> claim that the Democratic Party is the fiscally irresponsible party,
> when the national debt has only increased under republican
> presidents and has decreased under Democratic ones, going as far back
> as Johnson in the early 60's. Under Johnson, Carter and Clinton, the
> debit was reduced, while under Ronnie Raygun, Bush Senior and now
> Shrub, the deficit has skyrocketed. Instead of paying down the debt,
> which would have resulted in far more resources being added to the
> national economy, he's going for making the tax cuts permanent, and
> letting the nation be further burdened. Yet at the same time there
> are a series of sweetheart deals and tax breaks to the oil, gas and
> coal industries that's almost obscene.  Where is the logic in this?
>

Larry, I will agree with you that we have a budget problem.  However you
can't lay that blame squarely on  either party.  They are both at fault.  I
don't think either party knows how to handle spending properly.



> regards,
> larry
>
> >Wrong reasons?  What on Earth a you talking about?
> >
> >I'll watch the video later...have a son banging on the keyboard right
now!
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 9:26 PM
> >Subject: Re: Hello?
> >
> >
> >>  I was talking about the switch parody at
> >http://bantha.cjb.net/john/index.php
> >>
> >>  As for stuff he has done that I agree with, he stopped doing lines of
> >>  coke at least. Stopped his DUI's.
> >>
> >>  Actually there is one thing, he went after the Taliban, but for all
> >>  the wrong reasons.
> >>
> >>  larry
> >>
> >>  >Video?  What video?
> >>  >
> >>  >Anything that you think might make me rant is worth taking a look at.
:)
> >In
> >>  >the spirit of good debate of course.
> >>  >
> >>  >I'm curious Larry, is there anything that the Bush administration has
> >done
> >>  >that you agree with, or do you just stamp everything as bad. :)
> >>  >----- Original Message -----
> >>  >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>  >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>  >Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 4:50 PM
> >>  >Subject: Re: Hello?
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >>  IF you thought that, then why did you respond.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  no comment about the video? I was figuring that it would have
> >>  >>  elicited a real Rush limpmember type frothing at the mouth rant
from
> >>  >>  you about it.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  fwiw, our offices are moving this weekend, so I'll probably not
get
> >>  >>  reconnected until after the holidays. So happy holidays all.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  larry
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  >Of course you would think that they knew.  You assume that
anything
> >they
> >>  >can
> >>  >>  >do that is a breach of conduct, they are already doing, so why
even
> >>  >bother
> >>  >>  >responding.
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >----- Original Message -----
> >>  >>  >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>  >>  >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>  >>  >Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 12:08 PM
> >  > >>  >Subject: Re: Hello?
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >>  Still the investments are just controlled in a blind trust,
> >chances
> >>  >>  >>  are they have a very good idea what the trust has invested in.
> >Wasn't
> >>  >>  >>  there a bit a controversy just after the Bush regime started
> >office
> >>  >>  >>  about members of the administration not being as blind to
their
> >>  >>  >>  investments as was originally thought.
> >>  >>  >>
> >>  >>  >>  Given Shrub and Cheney's past records, I wouldn't be too
surprised
> >if
> >>  >>  >>  they are very aware of their current investments, and are
planning
> >>  >>  >>  accordingly.
> >>  >>  >>
> >>  >>  >>  larry
> >>  >>  >>
> >>  >>  >>  >Jim,
> >>  >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >>  >They may have fortunes that stemmed from the oil business,
but as
> >>  >>  >President
> >>  >>  >>  >and Vice-President, their investments are put into blind
trusts,
> >Bush
> >>  >and
> >>  >>  >>  >Cheney have no idea what their money is currently invested
in.
> >Just
> >>  >like
> >>  >>  >Al
> >>  >>  >>  >Greenspan. Imagine if Greenspan knew their was going to back
> >economic
> >>  >>  >news,
> >>  >>  >>  >he could call up his broker and short the hell out of the
market
> >and
> >>  >make
> >>  >>  >a
> >>  >>  >>  >fortune, hence the blind trust.
> >>  >>  >>  >
> >>  >>  >>  Kevin
> >>  >>  >>
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>
> >>  >
> >>
> >
> 
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