Of course most good americans will support the troops. Even the troops who
disagree with the decision will support what they are told to too. Dubya
tells the iraqis just following orders isn't a good reason but its the only
thing the US troops can do. I am sure we'll prevail i hope we very light
casualties i want all my friends and family home in one piece.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Ousterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: WOW?


Bill,
The 48 hours may be more for the very small hope that the generals,
realizing that if they help they may be able to retain some power &
position, throw the bum out.  Also, he needs to give Britain time to debate
in parliament.  So 48 hours is really nothing much.

And I don't believe that the military is at all underestimating how ugly the
city fighting will be.  Fortunately, the expectation is that most of the
troops will surrender, leaving a much smaller although very well trained
republican guard.

Lets all keep our thoughts and wishes that this ugly matter be resolved with
the minimum of casualties on both sides.  If you know anyone with family in
the battle, please give them your support.  I friend of mine has a nephew
who is a green beret and was in Afghanistan and is now in Kuwait. He
commented that the troops were starting to get the feeling that the people
back home weren't behind them and that that was very demoralizing.  So even
if you don't believe in the decision, please support the solders who will be
suffering, hurting and dying.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 7:12 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: WOW?


huh tractor tell us more?


Yea i know i find it crazy that we broadcast all this crap i mean we
basically gave saddam 48 hour notice thats crazy now he knows for sure its
on and he can hit first or do something else nasty. I would have prefered if
we just do it and then find out later we started its hard to keep secrets in
todays world i guess at least secrets like a war and such :). And i think
the Generals are going to be in for a big suprise i mean urban fighting as
you probably know is still pretty much the same as it was in WWII & WWI it
sucks our technology is way less of a factor in street to street fighting.
Does anyone have to look back to stalingrad when the stupid germans had to
try and take the city street by street? I mean its not going to be the same
type disaster but just to show the point that urban fighting is going to
take alot out of the troops. Maybe i could be wrong maybe we'll just sweep
through and kick ass without many losses but for all our technology you have
guys fighting room to room in a building you can run into ambushes you can
run into things where our standoff weapons  don't matter.

Oh well i wish them all the best of luck, i hope the bonehead doesn't send
too many of my friends and family to their deaths. My old boss if a FAC with
a Marine Regiment who is on the move this morning. He's a major now and they
pulled him from Inactive Reserves to come up and take over a FAC job, he
used to be a chinook jockey but in Gulf War 1 he got pulled to be a FAC.
Hopefully he is going to be alright, sitting in an Abrams is probably a
pretty safe place about now.



----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: WOW?


T minus 48 hours (from 8:00 PM last night) until we take the gloves off.

Kind of disturbing really.  I mean the whole idea of fighting a war this way
is really alien to me.  We were always taught that force protection and not
letting anyone know who what where or when were very important.  I mean as
it sits now you can go in any major news outlet's web site and get an order
of battle for our forces, locations, key officers.  It's insane from an
intelligence perspective.

Another thing that bothered me was what some of the talking heads had to say
about the coming conflict.  They had a retired general on NBC right after
his speech who didn't think that the coming battle was any big deal.  He
though that we would just sweep right through Iraq and be done with it.
Guess he never went on a patrol in a city.

Don't misconstrue this to mean that I am against this action completely.  I
have some issues with it (most notably that no war is being declared, and I
don't think that congress has the constitutional ability to hand off that
responsibility to the president). However now that we are there, now that
the decision has been made, we need to stop debating this as a country and
support our troops.

BTW how has the commute been this morning for all the DC members?  All the
roads around here are closed down for the moron on the tractor at the mall.
I just wonder why they haven't tazed the kid and pulled him off the tractor.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 7:11 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: WOW?


what did hw say, i missed it

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 March 2003 12:08
To: CF-Community
Subject: WOW?


I come in this morning and see NO topics about dubyas talk last night? Man i
was waiting and waiting and then finally there it was what i knew would pop
out....the hitler reference :)


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Bill Wheatley
Senior Database Developer
Macromedia Advanced Coldfusion 5 Developer
Ediets.com
ICQ - 417645
Aim - Bill Ediets
954-360-9022 x159





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