I question the constitutionality of the War Powers Act.

-Kevin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 8:52 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Wolfowitz: Iraq war was about oil
> 
> 
> There is still some debate over the constitutionality of the 
> Iraqi invasion. First, the Present has the authority granted 
> under the War Powers Act to invade anywhere he chooses.  In 
> the Iraq case, he did have the blessing of the US congress, 
> both in support for his action, and the provision of a budget 
> to pay for it.  There are many scholars who will consider 
> this combined action as tantamount to a declaration of war.  
> Another thing is that the US has officially declared war on 
> terrorism, although it is still to be proved the terrorism 
> connection with Iraq.  Unless the administration hangs its 
> hat on the publicly known financial support (pension plan) 
> for the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.  No one 
> thinks the Palestine suicide bombers are any threat to the 
> US, just to Israel.
> 
> Perhaps this is why there is so much effort with the RMTP to 
> get a Nobel Peace Prize award, which would no doubt assist 
> with his re-election campaign.
> 
> As far as the Chinese oil connection, and while it is little 
> publicized, China controls the as yet undeveloped South China 
> Sea Oil, which has been reported to contain reserves equal or 
> exceeding all the known reserves A big US player in that 
> endeavor is, of course, Exxon-Mobil.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Randolph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 8:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Wolfowitz: Iraq war was about oil
> 
> 
> | Hello,
> |
> | It was always about oil and there really isn't any debate 
> | there...none, nada, zero, zilch.
> |
> | So you have to ask yourself WHY would this administration be so 
> | willing to put us at an even greater risk of terrorism though their 
> | actions and kill world opinion of the USA so quickly or easily.
> |
> | 1. Money...Iraq had converted to the EURO for it's oil dealings, if 
> | others in OPEC had followed suit the US dollar could quite 
> likely of 
> | tanked.
> |
> | 2. Money...Their just greedy oil barons.. Doubtful since by 
> attacking 
> | Iraq we guaranteed that we'd be thrown out of Saudi Arabia 
> a source of 
> | oil we already had 'control over'....which is now happened.
> |
> | 3. Asymmetric Warfare with Strategic Competitors (China)...quite 
> | likely.
> |
> | Many believe the real issue at hand is the long term threat 
> of China 
> | capturing those oil wells, if they would have it <could> of lead to 
> | total world domination by China. There is/was a huge power vacuum 
> | created when Russia fell apart and China had been filling 
> that vacuum. 
> | China is the true long term threat of the United States and 
> ultimately 
> | the free world. I don't believe in Bush's NWO, but then I 
> don't speak 
> | Chinese either so I guess I'm screwed either way.
> |
> | Bush congressional ally says China run by 'decrepit 
> tyrants' (lump's 
> | them in with the axis of evil) 
> | http://sg.news.yahoo.com/030603/1/3bhzt.html
> |
> | Remember our bombing of the embassy when they were trying to figure 
> | out how to track our stealth planes and the latest incident the spy 
> | plane being rammed by the nimble fighter. Also North Korea 
> is nothing 
> | but the lips and teeth of China and look at their tone towards the 
> | US...it's really China's tone. When China has something 
> inflammatory 
> | to say...North Korea says it instead.
> |
> | Either way the war WAS unconstitutional and has damaged my beloved 
> | homeland internationally to say the least. Maybe everyone will take 
> | the time to read the constitution and note that the 
> President doesn't 
> | have the authority to declare war and vote out of office those that 
> | abdicated their responsibility to him on a silver platter. 
> I won't go 
> | into the abuse of the Executive Order in the last 10 or so 
> | administrations!
> |
> | ... The end justifies the means?
> |
> | Best,
> | Mike Randolph
> |
> | At 07:46 PM 6/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> | >Of course that is what I have held the opinion on since 
> the get go, 
> | >but
> flames
> | >were vociferous about it not being about oil.
> | >
> | >The country who controls Iraqi oil, controls the pricing of the 
> | >entire
> region,
> | >and could break the back of Saudi Arabia and Iran's 
> economies.  This 
> | >is why ARAMCO is chomping at the bit to get either a 
> direct contract 
> | >or a
> Halliburton
> | >sub-contract.
> | >
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> | >----- Original Message -----
> | >From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:42 PM
> | >Subject: Wolfowitz: Iraq war was about oil
> | >
> | >
> | >| Oil was the main reason for military action against 
> Iraq, a leading 
> | >| White
> | >House hawk has claimed, confirming the worst fears of 
> those opposed 
> | >to the US-led war.
> | >|
> | >| The US deputy defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz - who has already
> undermined
> | >Tony Blair's position over weapons of mass destruction (WMD) by 
> | >describing them as a "bureaucratic" excuse for war - has now gone 
> | >further by claiming the
> real
> | >motive was that Iraq is "swimming" in oil.
> | >|
> | >| http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,970335,00.html
> | >|
> | >
> | 
> 
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