You said you do not respect it. That, in my eyes, is belittling my personasl choice. The choice that had me in the middle east, rather than at home with my son during his first year. The choice that almost cost me my marriage, and the choice that changed my life forever.
I am not going to flame you. I am deeply hurt by your earlier comments. You obviously have no idea of the constant dangors this country faces. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:30 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: A good american I don't have to wonder. I have been in plenty of dangerous situations with and without weapons; they just weren't military. I did not want to be a soldier because it involves being told to kill people. Some of those people would probably rather not be there. Some, like the Iraqis, are doing no more than I would do. You invade my country, I fight. Sometimes it is necessary to kill anyway. A Nazi soldier preparing the way for the rest of his army comes to mind. But a soldier surrenders that choice and I do not want to do that. The distinction I make about srving as a medic is that I am not expected to kill on command. However we need a military and I am not belittling the choice or the courage of the people who sign up; just saying it is not me. Dana John Stanley writes: > You can also look at this. What kind of person do you think you are, and > what kind of person are you, really? > > By that I mean, I wonder what percentage of people who before they were put > into a battle situation thought that they would fight for their cause with > the same valor and heroism as those they had learned about before, only to > freeze up and not be able to do a damn thing as the enormity of it all came > crashing down upon them. > > And how many people went in with the mind set that they were weak and not a > fighter, only to be able to close their mind and perform the task at hand > with no problems at all? > > I say that I would fight for my country. I say that I would give my life for > my country, so that my children don't have to. But i REALLY dont know what I > would do until the situation presents itself. Would my mind snap and I lay > on the ground whimpering like a little kid? Or would I pick up a rifle and > shoot the eye out of the next agressor while smoking a cigarette and humming > along to Dixie? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:43 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: A good american > > > well, if you object to killing people why enlist, is my question. I for > example took great care to never enlist for exactly this reason. If the US > was invaded then I would be willing to do medic, I guess. Might still lead > to having to kill someone but it would not be my actual function. > > Dana > > John Stanley writes: > > > That's why I specifically stated about the US being invaded. I think that > if > > you enlist and there is a war in another country, and you object to > killing > > another person for whatever reason, you should get another job, but still > on > > the front line, like a medic or something. > > > > Basically it boils down to this: I as a citizen am willing to do whatever > my > > country asks of me. I want to punish those who would not do the same. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:29 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > > thats if the US is invaded though. (I am not going to go into conscientous > > (sp?) objectors; I think some are genuine but if the country is being > > invaded they should serve *somehow*) > > > > My problem is when people extrapolate this to all other situations. We > > invade Iraq and gee if you don't support this you are a coward. I > disagree. > > > > Dana > > > > > > John Stanley writes: > > > > > Simple situation: > > > > > > If a country invaded the united states, and everyone had to choose > (which > > is > > > what would happen) > > > > > > You would either: > > > 1. fight for the US (patriot) > > > 2. fight against the US (traitor) > > > 3. not fight (coward) > > > > > > That's it. > > > > > > If you object to fighting on the basis of some personal moral decision > > when > > > your homeland is at stake, then you are a coward. > > > > > > If you are drafted and you choose not to fight then you are a coward. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:16 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: A good american > > > > > > > > > Buddism. > > > > > > If you can call the Dali Lama a coward, you don't know the story. > > > > > > I must admit I find your conviction that anyone who doesn't go in guns > > > blazing is a coward to be very depressing, I hope that that sort of > > > ultra aggressive attitude will die out soon. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:09 > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course I hold them in contempt, and likewise term them > > > > "Cowards" There is no recognized religion that opposes war, > > > > none at all. In fact all of them have a history of > > > > oppression, war, exploiting the meek, preferring to keep the > > > > faithful ignorant, and couching their dogma is falsehoods and > > > > deception. There is no sincere opposition to armed conflict, > > > > only cowardice. Genuine Conscientious Objectors are nothing > > > > more than cowards, and as such are parasitic upon legitimate > > > > government and its loyal people. They should all be either > > > > exported or executed. > > > > > > > > You sadly misquote Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Martin Luther > > > > King. and are completely wrong about the Mennonites. > > > > > > > > But, you will survive, because the majority of the citizenry > > > > will bear arms to defend your rights and constitutional > > > > protections, as well as permitting you to espouse your lies > > > > and deceptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > ====================================== > > > > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! > > > > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > > > > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 > > > > ====================================== > > > > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:52 AM > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > > > > > > > > > > > > | So I take it that you hold in contempt those who have a sincere, > > > > | religious or otherwise, conviction that serving in the military is > > > > | wrong. Its great to know that there are those who would gladly > > > > | persecute others based on their beliefs. Genuine conscientious > > > > | objectors would fall under your rubric. People like Ghandi, Mother > > > > | Teresa, Martin Luther King etc have those beliefs. There are other > > > > | groups like the Mennonites who also have very strong > > > > religious beliefs > > > > | against serving in the military. > > > > | > > > > | Such ignorance is appalling. > > > > | > > > > | larry > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
