If I understand that correctly, that is pretty arcane, especially if the domain
is either spoofed or "joe-jobbed" which would put them in an innocent bystander
category.   Operating against the IP number, while not always perfect, is more
perfect that using a domain name.

However, there is something else to consider too, and that is reporting the
spamvertised web sites, which requires deobfuscating the URL encoding that some
of the more clueless spammers do.

I also have found that most of the open relay/open proxy block lists only
actually offer a partial listing of actual relays.   This is the reason that for
a blocker to be effective, one must choose several from a long list of databases
in order to do the job you want to do.  Most of them allow access at no charge.
some are self-updating, and others never update and consequently get stricter
and stricter, which is not a good thing.

Now, filtering rules, are something else again, and that is a good thing to
spend effort on, to score the subject and content, and when a threshold is
reached the mail is isolated.  The open relay stuff is checked first, and if an
IP appears on one of them then that mail is not even allowed a connection.   For
rules to apply, the email must be downloaded to apply the rules, and once
downloaded, either dumped into dev/null (deleted) or routed to a spam folder.
for periodic review to guard against false positives.

I have been involved in anti-spamming for several years, and I recognize the
yeoman's job you are doing to create a workable application, and hopefully will
not require a heavy administrative burden for the user.

The one good thing that can come from the occasional good email that has been
blocked is the pressure the ISP's customer can directly apply to them to rigidly
enforce their Terms of Service.   The most effective tool for reducing the
endless spew of spam will be when the ISP can no longer make a profit by either
hosting it or allowing it to pass through their systems at the expense of losing
their regular customers.

My experience is that the smaller, regional service providers are the most
responsive to spam complaints and are pretty quick about terminating accounts,
whereas the larger providers are so swamped with complaints, they are, for the
most part, unresponsive.  Another problem is misconfigured mail servers that are
operating as open relays, mostly off shore, that do not follow the RFC's which
require them to report accurately the origin of email transiting their servers.
The cause may be that so much software overseas is pirated, it is not kept up to
date, but I am only guessing here.  The result in those cases is that one can
never trace all the way back to the origin the source of the spam.


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: iMS CFUG Edition


| As a side note, this is one of the reasons for banning a domain. When I get
spam
| from a domain I email both their postmaster and abuse accounts. When I get an
| email like this, the domain gets flagged as needing a once over. If, after a
| once over, I can't get any response from them (even a recorded message), then
| it's banned.
| This place happens to be a substance abuse center. I'll then go into the spam
| message to see if they were sending it or if they have an open relay. If they
| sent it, then they're spammers and are blocked. If it's a relay, I'll try to
| hunt down their admin to report it.
|
| <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host posti.a-klinikka.fi[193.64.139.107] said: 550
5.7.1
|     Unable to relay for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host posti.a-klinikka.fi[193.64.139.107] said: 550
|     5.7.1 Unable to relay for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| 
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