Don't worry too much troy just be careful with your list and the anti-spam lunatics won't be too much of a problem for you. Be real careful though becuase then the fun death threats start coming and then thats when it gets alot of fun.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Email Address Verification Solution (not validation) > You are treading on thin ice with cleaning programs. The anti-spam community > calls that "List washing" and are opposed to list washing based on complaints > when they would rather get the offender's service disconnected at the ISP level. > Most true spam, however, contain fake or hijacked remove lists, and the Advice > by most service providers is not to use the unsubscribe links because that is > usually used as a confirmation that your email address is indeed live, and cause > an increase of unwanted email. > > The feature of an unsubscribe however, should be there in either (or both) the > header and footer of each message, and the removal should be immediate, and not > deferred in any way. There are many resources available that outline > methodology for managing large mailing lists, One of which is registration in > the Bonded Sender database. (not free) > > The marketing people want universal "opt-in" which means I can send you > messages any time I want, whether solicited or not, while the anti-spam > community is pushing for legislation to the effect of double opt-in/confirmed, > with criminal penalties of any mailer who sends unsolicited commercial mail > without verifiable evidence that the recipients actually asked for it. Even > the default check box on web sites "may we send you email offers from affiliates > or partners." is objected to very strongly. If this were implemented and > enforced, it would have a similar effect to what is happening on the national > "Do not Call" database, which is expected to eventually contain about 75% of all > telephone numbers in the US, within a year. > > The attitude of the anti-spam community is that my email server, inbox, and > bandwidth is purchased at my expense, and I (and my clients) will be the sole > judge of what I wish to receive. I do not wish to be the vehicle to deliver > commercial messages at my own expense, unless I am adequately compensated. > Those advertisers that do not respect my wishes are blocked from even connecting > to my mail server, which filters and re-delivers to over 1200 other domain > servers. Additionally, your IP space is also blocked by other providers that > choose to voluntarily subscribe to my block list. > > This is just a heads up as to what is taking place on the net. Well managed > mail lists will have no problems with delivery of their messages, while > carelessly or poorly managed ones, are doomed to early failure, if the community > has their way. > > This said, Legitimate advertisers are only a very small part of the spam problem > as the majority of spamming is done via open relays, open proxies, and > compromised computers. One blocklist provider currently reports over 1,8 > MILLION open or compromised systems that will relay email. These spammers > include fake or invalid remove links, and usually spoof the FROM address, so > that bounces are sent to innocent people. spamvertised web sites are usually > hidden behind multiple redirect links so as to try to obfuscate its true > location, which if can be readily determined will likely quickly be shut down. I > doubt any anti-spam legislation will have much effect on these type of spammers. > It has also been published in several places that the vast majority of spam is > sent by less than 200 operators, via thousands of relays or forwarding systems. > go figure. > > ====================================== > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 > ====================================== > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TWussow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:24 AM > Subject: RE: Email Address Verification Solution (not validation) > > > | Adam - that is an honest question, and actually apropos for today's spam > | environment. I appreciate your candor. > | > | Actually, we do not spam. We are the nation's largest seminar company > | and we have a huge customer file. It has taken us quite a long time to > | build it as well. We don't buy or lease other lists, and we don't sell > | or rent our lists. I am very proud of this too. We made those > | decisions early on, in anticipation of hostilities and anti-spam > | legislation. And it looks like our ethics are going to pay off. > | (fingers crossed) > | > | What about some form of RCPTO verification - maybe develop a way of > | shaking hands with the host; verifying, then hanging up? I would think > | that the mail hosts would appreciate something like this, as opposed to > | someone trying to send mass amounts of bad emails to their server; time > | and time again. > | > | I have looked into some email cleaning programs, and the RCPTO method > | seems to be a constant, or preferred method ... if not the only one?!?!? > | > | If I were a postmaster, I think that I would be in favor of some sort of > | coop cleaning routine among honest (non-spamming) marketers, say once > | per month?!?!? > | > | - Troy:-) > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Adam Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:48 AM > | To: CF-Community > | Subject: RE: Email Address Verification Solution (not validation) > | > | I know this sounds like some crazy accusation, but are you a spammer? > | > | As to the email verification. Not possible as most hosts do not allow > | verification of email addresses. > | > | Adam > | > | > -----Original Message----- > | > From: TWussow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > Sent: 16 July 2003 17:46 > | > To: CF-Community > | > Subject: Email Address Verification Solution (not validation) > | > > | > > | > I am looking for a CF open-source or other 3rd party software solution > | > | > that will allow me to test my email address file (almost 1M) with each > | > | > of mail hosts to help me clean up my house file (determine bad > | > addresses, no longer here, etc.). Does anyone know if such a CF > | > solution exists; or a 3rd party product? > | > > | > Please advise - your help is greatly appreciated! > | > > | > BR, > | > > | > -Troy:-) > | > > | > > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
