My thoughts at this link (although I have a bunch of updates ):

<http://www.instantcoldfusion.com/resources/CFMXASP.cfm>

  I agree with you about the amount of post-back code relied on for 
interaction; I hate it.  It goes against my theories on good coding 
practices.  I will say that you do not have to use the web forms or 
controls to code within .NET.

  I would assume that when the author said that using .NET (or ASP.NET 
specifically) allows the programmer access to the entire machine he meant 
the server, not the client.  But, I don't have enough experience to say yes 
or no either way.

  I have heard from one person having serious problems in production 
environments because of web forms; and quite a few people who have had no 
noticable performance degradation.

At 04:05 PM 8/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Subject: ASP.net thoughts
>From: Marlon Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Sat,  9 Aug 2003 12:19:03 -0700
>Thread: 
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=messages&threadid=9348&forumid=5#86057
>
>I've just finished my ASP.net book and what I've come away with is:  This 
>seems
>like kludge, at least on the GUI side.
>
>The book I read raved on about how the abstraction of the HTML was so 
>wonderful.
>  I really don't understand how <asp:label runat="server" text="hello"> is any
>better or easier that <span>hello</span> .  I know that there are more complex
>tags, but it seems to me that it's nothing that can't be done with 
>dhtml/javascript.
>
>I'm amazed at how much post-back was relied on for interaction, especially 
>when
>you consider that keeping viewstate increases page sizes immensely when 
>using so
>databound controls.  I'm thinking that a lot of this interaction could be
>accomplished with javascript (qforms) and require less traffic and have a 
>better
>response.
>
>I do think that using ASP.net on the backend might be useful, but I'm still
>convinced that Flash remoting would be a better interface for the GUI.  The
>methods that ASP.net uses to simulate a fat client just seem to be so much
>kludge, it seems that its bound to make inefficient interfaces.
>
>Another thing that caught my attention was when the author said "using the 
>.net
>framework allows the programmer to access the entire machine".  Is this
>something that we really want given Microsofts security issues in the past.
>Will this open up more machines to successful hacking attempts?  I'm not 
>enough
>of a systems programmer to know this, it just perked up my ears when I read it
>though.
>
>Marlon



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