We had the same problem with a 5 month, 100 lb American Bull Dog. We had a
trainer come in and try to break him. The dog seemed to get worse and one
day went after my wife. It was her dog and it loved her but didn't like
being told what to do.

She kicked him in the head, "Sorry its the only way you get your message
through to a dog this size." and bolted for the house. Well that dog is
almost 1 now and we heard he is at 200 lbs.

He was placed at a car lot as a guard dog for a bit, but the owner called
and asked for us to remove him. The dog eat a BMW! I laughed it was funny he
tore a bumper off and popped three tires!

Eaten good enough for me!

Shawn Regan

-----Original Message-----
From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:33 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Puppy


Eight is old enough to understand that Puppy doesn't like his tail pulled,
so thats good.  If it were me, I might consider a different breed, though.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Duane Boudreau
  To: CF-Community
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:18 AM
  Subject: RE: Puppy


  Hi Beth,

  Thanks for the advice - we have an eight year old daughter with an
  attitude like the dog - fiercely independent (except at 3 in the
  morning).

  Duane.




  -----Original Message-----
  From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 11:08 AM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: Re: Puppy

  having had three scottie pups in my puppy classes in the last few months
  i feel confident in letting you know a scottie puppy can be a joy, or be
  a terror.

  Scotties are not a breed for inexperienced owners in my opinion.

  Two of the puppies, with EXTREMELY firm owners are doing just
  fine.  These owners are really strong and firm with their kids and
  dogs.  The male is a delight while the little girl  is a little bitch,
  but thats to be expected.  She doesnt' come when called, and basically
  is quite indepdent like a terrier is expected to be.

  The third puppy with an owner who was rather ineffectual at managing her
  dogs behavior created an aggressive dog.  During class I was helping her
  get the dog to sit - the dog was totally blowing her off.  I tried
  luring him with a treat, and when that didn't work I chose to push
  gently on the butt.  That didn't work either, and I began to recognize
  the signs of "You Aren't The Boss Of Me".  When I went to take his
  collar to help him down that way, he fixed his eyes on my face in a
  steely way, and the sides of his mouth came forward.  I had read about
  that happening but had never seen it.  A truly dominant aggressive dog
  is rare - most dogs bite out of fear or prey drive, not dominance.  In
  any case, i removed my hand and asked the small dog expert to help.

  Sadly, the small dog expert got bitten as did the owner of the
  scottie.  The scottie later got away from his mother, bit three dogs and
  a child.

  The dog was saved - there wasn't anything really wrong with him - he
  just thought he was the boss of the universe and he had to be taught
  otherwise.  I would argue he was a typical scottie  - and its what can
  happen when you have a breed thats got attitude.  

  So unless you think you can handle a dog who wants to be the boss of
  you, reconsider the breed choice.  If you really want a terrier, a cairn
  is much more easygoing.

  Do you have kids?
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Duane Boudreau
    To: CF-Community
    Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:54 AM
    Subject: Puppy


    Hi All,

    After several months of discussion and debate we've decided to add a
    puppy to the family. Due to some restrictions in our neighborhood the
    type of dog we would really like to get is out of the question
  (Shepherd
    or Husky). We've decided go to the other end of the spectrum and are
    thinking Scottish terrier. Anyone here have experience with this
  breed?

    I'm just starting to look but everything I've read so far a Scottie
    sounds like a good fit.

    Thanks All,
    Duane







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