I can't speak for others, but my point is that you need the other stuff,
and the drugs are a big help.

It's been shown in study after study that therapy and drugs together are
more than twice as effective than one or the other.  There  is a
statistically significant gestalt there.

No, drugs alone won't fix it.  But that's true of most injuries,
diseases, etc.

--BenD

Mark Smyth wrote:

> But there are other ways to treating that imbalance than drus, s'all i'm
> saying
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Braver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 22 October 2003 16:46
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re:depression
>
> Mark,
>
> I think you may be missing the fact that AFAIK there's a biochemical
> component to depression - imbalance between neurotransmitters in the brain
> (maybe one of the sufferers on the list who knows more about it can provide
> a more correct answer?). Treating that imbalance is not treating symptoms,
> but is treating a chemical cause.
>
> -Ben
>
>  >In my opinion leave the doctors alone, they'll only treat the symptoms and
>  >probably give you anti-depressants.  If there is one thing western
> medicine
>  >could learn from eastern medicine is to look more deeply into the
> underlying
>  >causes of illnesses and not constantly treting symptoms.
>  >
>  >My mother has been seriously affected by depression for around 20 years, I
>  >really don't think the doctors helped. I'm pretty sure its affected me
> also,
>  >especially the past few years.  I'd have to say depression is best dealt
>  >from a spiritually/mental approach.
>  >
>  >I'd recommending looking into some books by the Dalai Lama, there are some
>  >really good books.  Basically he teaches that Suffering is encountered by
>  >everyone (therefore it is both a fact of everyone's life) and that its
> every
>  >human's inherent right to achieve happiness and it is within all of our
>  >grasps if we want it enough and are willing to act in a way which will
> bring
>  >us happiness.  Basically happiness can be achieved through spiritual and
>  >mental exercises/frame of mind.  
>  >I'm not a Buddhist par se, but I have found great comfort in those ideas
>  >
>  >I'd recommend this book as a starter
>  >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1573221112/qid=1066831173/sr=
> 8
>  >-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-7460743-2964960?v=glance
>  ><http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1573221112/qid=1066831173/sr
> =
>  >8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-7460743-2964960?v=glance&s=books&n=507846>
>  >&s=books&n=507846
>  >
>  >HTH and good luck
>  >Mark
>  >
>  >-----Original Message-----
>  >From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >Sent: 22 October 2003 14:48
>  >To: CF-Community
>  >Subject: Re: depression
>  >
>  >
>  >If you are asking if it is bad, then more then likely it is bad enough.
>  >Have you talked to a DR?
>  >
>  >Robert Bailey
>  >
>  >Paul Ihrig wrote on 10/22/2003, 9:45 AM:
>  >
>  >> just curious if any one on the list has had it.
>  >>
>  >> i have always had it mildly. since i was 12 or so.
>  >> but was always some thing that seemed to be a layer to my personality.
>  >>
>  >> but lately i cant seem to shake this feeling of dread/hopelessness.
>  >> i am sure part of it is not working & self esteem.
>  >>
>  >> but how do you know when it is bad?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
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