Andy,

Perhaps you are putting the cart before the horse. Consider the possibility that people may dislike Bush *because* he corrupted the Supremem Court, deceived the American people time after time, and embroiled the US in a senseless and dangerous military adventure to no good purpose. I mean, that is enough for me.

I don't say these things because I dislike the man. He seems quite sincere in his beliefs, and if he were a member of my chuch I might invite him to dinner. That doesn't make his beliefs less dangerous. Nor does it mean that he is not being used, or possibly allowing himself to be used.

Personally, I rather dislike the Clintons. I still have a reluctant admiration for them. Both of them are great populists.
>Clearly, if you hold this perspective, then you ought to fight to ensure that
>NO US businesses are allowed to bid or be paid for any activity there.
>
>However, the tough love thing is a bit much.  Is it possible that you hate the
>current administration with a passion and want it to be hurt, embarrassed at
>any cost?  If so, this could be clouding your reasoning.
>
>Given the current reality, it makes no sense to allow any country that did not
>support the current efforts to bid or profit.  In fact, there is a solid
>argument that if France and Germany had supported the US that the war may
>never have been needed.  Sadaam, seeing the writing on the wall, would have
>capitulated.  However, this is seer speculation that is not were we are now.
>Just like this continuing anger over Bush(can we hear about the stolen
>election again?).
>
>So, lets think about what needs to happen given where we are today, shall we.
>First, we need to world to start participating.  While Bush is not doing
>everything I would like him to do, both France and Germany are still pouting
>about being made irrelevant.  There refusal to contribute anything to the
>rebuilding effort underscores this.  Perhaps this total exclusion, which is a
>response to their previous actions may slap them into the here and now.  They
>will have to deal with Bush, must likely for more than 4 years.
>
>Andy
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:59 AM
>  To: CF-Community
>  Subject: Re: Bush gives the finger to the world again
>
>
>  Personally, I want America to feel this economically. I want the us to have
>  to pay the price for lying and attacking with no provocation.
>
>  I say that as a staunch supporter of America. It's tough love. If we do
>  something wrong, we shouldn't reap the benefits. It's that simple. I don't
>  want the US to be the Mafia of the world.
>
>  -Kevin
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:52 AM
>  Subject: RE: Bush gives the finger to the world again
>
>  > the us and the other sixty-odd countries who helped us get to bid. now I'm
>  > not arguing the fact that the us companies may get the bulk of the
>  > contracts, but I as a taxpayer would rather my money go to US companies
>  than
>  > another countries.
>  >
>  > i am also not arguing that there wont be corruption in the contract
>  process,
>  > ahem Halibuton, but it is still better than the French getting my money.
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:46 AM
>  > To: CF-Community
>  > Subject: Re: Bush gives the finger to the world again
>  >
>  >
>  > Why should US companies benefit from a war manufactured by our own
>  country?
>  > When organized crime does that it's called a "protection racket".
>  >
>  > -Kevin
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:32 AM
>  > Subject: RE: Bush gives the finger to the world again
>  >
>  > > The countries in question can still do business with Iraq, they just
>  cant
>  > > bid on the contracts that the US taxpayers are paying for. They can be
>  > hired
>  > > as subcontractors for the contracts as well. I dont see why this is such
>  a
>  > > huge deal? Why should the US taxpayers pay french companies to rebuild
>  > Iraq
>  > > when they werent willing to support the US efforts in the first place?
>  > >
>  > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:28 AM
>  > > To: CF-Community
>  > > Subject: Bush gives the finger to the world again
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Former top U.S. officials are blasting the Bush administration for
>  > reopening
>  > > a rift with Europe by excluding critics of the war from prime contracts
>  > for
>  > > Iraq's reconstruction.
>  > >
>  > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105433,00.html
>  > <http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105433,00.html>
>  > > <http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105433,00.html>
>  > >
>  > > "I thought we were in the process of acquiring support rather than
>  > > alienating it," former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright (search)
>  > said.
>  > >
>  > > So let me get this straight.
>  > >
>  > > 1. Economy is bad.
>  > > 2. Find a patsy country and accuse them of something unfounded.
>  > > 3. Get called on it by other countries.
>  > > 4. Attack anyway
>  > > 5. Deny reconstruction contracts to countries that wouldn't help in an
>  > > illegal war.
>  > >
>  > > And people are complaining? I don't get it. It looks like a perfect plan
>  > to
>  > > boost the economy by giving local companies big contracts.
>  > >
>  > > -Kevin
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>  > >
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